A little bit of great is better than a whole lot of nothing

[Henriyk]

Miles Davis said to Prince "A little bit of great is better than a whole lot of nothing" and make no mistake he admired him. I start with that quote from one goat to another, because this entry is not meant to disparage creators, but instead simply draws attention to the sometimes hard process required to get better. Creating models is like drawing in several points, and the more you practice, the better you get. See for example Vecterror how far he has come, at least with faces that he demands something for his work is completely fair. There are several in here who are at the same level. I have no right to decide what is good or bad. But for me, if this hub is to be taken seriously, it is fair to ask if a number of creators should perhaps take Davis's advice to a colleague to heart, and continue a little more in the rehearsal room before they publish?. The pictures were created by me after about 3 years with VAM, I can now see the proportions are wrong and make them look better. And I still have a long way to go, but closer to the stage where I finally dare to publish my material. So what I'm saying is this hub is overflowing with great stuff, but there's also a lot of, well…

 

[murn]

I understand where you're coming from, but, just like artwork and drawings the saying art is subjective has meaning(yes, sometimes to excuse bad stuff lol... or maybe most times).
What will one say to someone that has a style of ugly looks and bad proportions and with users that actually like such. Isn't that creator creating for them and not for you. People have their own markets creating their own styles that may evolve or not.
The human body isn't produced in a factory or by using a casting mold. If someone takes a look of your posted image and say it's lame face is too round breast is too small/big, she's not sexy, yet, another says it's awesome because she looks like a real person reminding them of someone they saw and thought that person was attractive. Who's in the right? To each his own and let it not grieve you in any way. You do you and they do likewise.
But hey, they "may" grow becoming better.

 

[Henriyk]

I understand where you're coming from, but, just like artwork and drawings the saying art is subjective has meaning(yes, sometimes to excuse bad stuff lol... or maybe most times).
What will one say to someone that has a style of ugly looks and bad proportions and with users that actually like such. Isn't that creator creating for them and not for you. People have their own markets creating their own styles that may evolve or not.
The human body isn't produced in a factory or by using a casting mold. If someone takes a look of your posted image and say it's lame face is too round breast is too small/big, she's not sexy, yet, another says it's awesome because she looks like a real person reminding them of someone they saw and thought that person was attractive. Who's in the right? To each his own and let it not grieve you in any way. You do you and they do likewise.
But hey, they "may" grow becoming better.

I want to be the last to judge beauty, in fact I cultivate the imperfect, none of my models wear makeup. Now I'm getting intolerantly metaphotic, so bear with me. Sometimes it's like opening a hub where it flows with "drawings created in a kindergarten that are hung up and we can all admire them. Maybe it's just me who is acting immature, and should instead look at the works and just keep my mouth as an adult would do. The point of this thread was to be a little more self-critical. This hub has great help for pretty much everything, but it lacks a thread with feetbacks for those creators. Not just a thumbs up or something like that. I have no doubt that there are creators out there who know the frustrations of creating models, but who do it for the joy of creating. Maybe it would be good idea of creating a thread where you naturally treat each other with respect and not, as I have done above, speak before thinking.

 

[Okachu]

You're saying that you're not judging but with this post you criticize other. Lookin to your last sentence you already saw this.
I don't see drawings like in a kindergarten. maybe because I'm untalented as fuck.

I think it's giving the site a soul like any other mods site to see the imperfect models, too. And like you said with every model you're getting better. It's good to mess withthe best, but why not sharing them?

If you want to give someone an advice what they could make better write a private message to them, I doubt that there are many. But don't wonder if someone don't want your help. Or make a tutorial that is showing the hints.

 

[murn]

Each posted var has a discussion section and there's the rating post also. I actually saw someone rate a scene one star and commented "it is just what it looks like". The creator replied "It's that bad huh". So you can freely express yourself with commenting or giving advice yet we have to be respectful.

 

[Clownmug]

Am I lost? I thought this was a website for a VR porn game?

 

[hazmhox]

I think it's giving the site a soul like any other mods site to see the imperfect models, too. And like you said with every model you're getting better. It's good to mess withthe best, but why not sharing them?

I'm not gonna dive into the subjectivity of beauty and personal tastes.
But honestly, I think parents are failing to teach their children what they should share/show off.

Saying this another way: we live in a "The Voice" (or anything similar) society, where if you're good at singing in your shower, then you should definitely go and try being a singer. This is wrong. People should understand what is good or not, and what is worth showing off or not.

Internet is a huge place and has thousands upon thousands of tutorials and people sharing knowledge about art, anatomy, and all sorts of artistic skills. Everything is at your fingertips to be able to learn AND weigh if your work is worth showing or not.

If you are "blind" to the qualities of your work, then try using chats like Discord to get advices and feedback before you publish your work.

The hub is "final". I'm not saying people should be disrespectful, in the contrary. But you're on a plateform that people are connecting to to find a finished product, and most of the time, something really appealing.

I think that an artist that hesitate to publish is right. Publish when it's ready, publish when you know it's good. Publish when you know/are sure of the qualities of your work. This is something you can learn, and parents should teach to their kids : )

In general (not only vam), if everyone was doing that, we would have a higher quality overall.

But that's just how I feel

 

[Henriyk]

I'm not gonna dive into the subjectivity of beauty and personal tastes.
But honestly, I think parents are failing to teach their children what they should share/show off.

Saying this another way: we live in a "The Voice" (or anything similar) society, where if you're good at singing in your shower, then you should definitely go and try being a singer. This is wrong. People should understand what is good or not, and what is worth showing off or not.

Internet is a huge place and has thousands upon thousands of tutorials and people sharing knowledge about art, anatomy, and all sorts of artistic skills. Everything is at your fingertips to be able to learn AND weigh if your work is worth showing or not.

If you are "blind" to the qualities of your work, then try using chats like Discord to get advices and feedback before you publish your work.

The hub is "final". I'm not saying people should not be disrespectful, in the contrary. But you're on a plateform that people are connecting to to find a finished product, and most of the time, something really appealing.

I think that an artist that hesitate to publish is right. Publish when it's ready, publish when you know it's good. Publish when you know/are sure of the qualities of your work. This is something you can learn, and parents should teach to their kids : )

In general (not only vam), if everyone was doing that, we would have a higher quality overall.

But that's just how I feel

Agree. The problem is we all think we are entitled to more than the 15 minutes of spotlight that Warhol talks about.

 

[Henriyk]

Am I lost? I thought this was a website for a VR porn game?

It's so much more for many, but hey if that's your level, go ahead.

 

[hazmhox]

The hub is "final". I'm not saying people should not be disrespectful, in the contrary. But you're on a plateform that people are connecting to to find a finished product, and most of the time, something really appealing.

EDIT: I meant that be people should be respectful even when giving feedback. The not was not meant to be there

 

[Femcore]

I'm not gonna dive into the subjectivity of beauty and personal tastes.
But honestly, I think parents are failing to teach their children what they should share/show off.

Saying this another way: we live in a "The Voice" (or anything similar) society, where if you're good at singing in your shower, then you should definitely go and try being a singer. This is wrong. People should understand what is good or not, and what is worth showing off or not.

Internet is a huge place and has thousands upon thousands of tutorials and people sharing knowledge about art, anatomy, and all sorts of artistic skills. Everything is at your fingertips to be able to learn AND weigh if your work is worth showing or not.

If you are "blind" to the qualities of your work, then try using chats like Discord to get advices and feedback before you publish your work.

The hub is "final". I'm not saying people should be disrespectful, in the contrary. But you're on a plateform that people are connecting to to find a finished product, and most of the time, something really appealing.

I think that an artist that hesitate to publish is right. Publish when it's ready, publish when you know it's good. Publish when you know/are sure of the qualities of your work. This is something you can learn, and parents should teach to their kids : )

In general (not only vam), if everyone was doing that, we would have a higher quality overall.

But that's just how I feel

While that feels right for a lot of people there are also others who should not be the target audience of your advice: those with perfectionism or impostor syndrome. To those I would say: publish and share your stuff!

 

[hazmhox]

I'd suspect people with perfectionism and/or impostor syndrom actually know what their quality is (hence "impostor" )

 

[Femcore]

I'd suspect people with perfectionism and/or impostor syndrom actually know what their quality is (hence "impostor" )

I'm not sure about that. Knowing (or not knowing) about their own quality could be part of the problem ... or the core.
And I'm not talking about those who use the words ("perfectionism" or "impostor syndrome") just because they're somehow trendy. I'm talking about those who really struggle with these problems.

 

[hazmhox]

I have both, mostly why some of my scenes are yet to be released. And impostor syndrom is not often tied to "not releasing"... but more people thinking their released work is crap even if it's like A or S-Tier.

I suspect there are less people being perfectionists or have impostor syndrom that do not release. Than there is people having the dunning kruger syndrom and releasing a shit ton of average looking content.

That said, if I can give an advice: surround yourself with positive and nice people. Even if you're just starting. They can share knowledge, help out and probably lift you up when you're not sure about something you created.

Never ever "worship" an artist, try getting in touch, you have nothing to lose besides getting a "no I don't have time" (and possibly "fuck off", but that means they are probably not worth your time and energy). I met the coolest people by simply reaching out to people in this community and this ended up with cool friendship and really nice content through collabs.

Cool people are making you better, and help you figure out where you're standing.

 

[Okachu]

I'm not gonna dive into the subjectivity of beauty and personal tastes.
But honestly, I think parents are failing to teach their children what they should share/show off.

Saying this another way: we live in a "The Voice" (or anything similar) society, where if you're good at singing in your shower, then you should definitely go and try being a singer. This is wrong. People should understand what is good or not, and what is worth showing off or not.

Internet is a huge place and has thousands upon thousands of tutorials and people sharing knowledge about art, anatomy, and all sorts of artistic skills. Everything is at your fingertips to be able to learn AND weigh if your work is worth showing or not.

If you are "blind" to the qualities of your work, then try using chats like Discord to get advices and feedback before you publish your work.

The hub is "final". I'm not saying people should be disrespectful, in the contrary. But you're on a plateform that people are connecting to to find a finished product, and most of the time, something really appealing.

I think that an artist that hesitate to publish is right. Publish when it's ready, publish when you know it's good. Publish when you know/are sure of the qualities of your work. This is something you can learn, and parents should teach to their kids : )

In general (not only vam), if everyone was doing that, we would have a higher quality overall.

But that's just how I feel

You can always update your work to make it better.

It's just the fact that a person makes another thread about a (unknown) person and ranting about them. Instead contacting them and be poilte. Thats what my parents teached me.

To bitch about third while they are in another room is for cowards.

 

[hazmhox]

It's just the fact that a person makes another thread about a (unknown) person and ranting about them. Instead contacting them and be poilte. Thats what my parents teached me.

To bitch about third while they are in another room is for cowards.

Honestly... don't tell me you ever stumbled upon three posts in a row where you said to yourself "damn, that's not worth a hub release".
That's an open discussion about art and creations... and the fact that you might wanna look at your work at least twice before publishing... chill mate, that's no rant.

 

[Clownmug]

It's so much more for many, but hey if that's your level, go ahead.

Oh, is there like a pvp mode I don't know about? Is VaM coming to Evo next year?

 

[Okachu]

Honestly... don't tell me you ever stumbled upon three posts in a row where you said to yourself "damn, that's not worth a hub release".
That's an open discussion about art and creations... and the fact that you might wanna look at your work at least twice before publishing... chill mate, that's no rant.

He puplished this "discussion" at the same time where there was only clownmugs posts in the releases.

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[hazmhox]

[...stuffs...]

Man... are you on something or what? The initial post is not as you depict it. You really need to chill.

 

[VaMRainey]

Oh, is there like a pvp mode I don't know about? Is VaM coming to Evo next year?

I may have misinterpreted the original message of it being more for so many, but I know a lot of people use VAM to make comics, to do digital photography, to make models of characters because they don't know how to draw, etc etc.

Many people don't use VAM for its original purpose, and that's ok! That's what makes it a sandbox.

I think it's neat to see what people make with it. The whole world is your oyster, as the saying goes.

 

[Farger]

I may have misinterpreted the original message of it being more for so many, but I know a lot of people use VAM to make comics, to do digital photography, to make models of characters because they don't know how to draw, etc etc.

Many people don't use VAM for its original purpose, and that's ok! That's what makes it a sandbox.

I think it's neat to see what people make with it. The whole world is your oyster, as the saying goes.

It's a fun sandbox.

 

[Okachu]

Man... are you on something or what? The initial post is not as you depict it. You really need to chill.

Ok, sry I think it was another post about a new patreon. Yes, I'm really sick actually but discussing about third like this is the wrong way. And I thought "go ahead" means "leave". My bad and I need to sorry.

To the discussion itself. Spamming low quality posts is not good but some low quality posts inspire other to do it better or discover new franchises. You can also edit the download to your likes. If someone would daily spam skibidi toilets (don't google it) I could understand it. And here we stuck in tastes.

Do we need a quality police?
Are we going to make a new discussion everytime a new user is posting low quality?

Or just say it directly to the user by staying polite and empathic?
How much bad posts can you make?
And what exactly is bad quality?
Can I see it at no downloads or no stars? No

If you think that someone is making bad quality and be bothered by this, then you should first clear this with the person and don't shame them in another thread.


I'm leavin here have fun

 

[Farger]

There is a very helpful feature on the Hub that was designed to help you when there are certain creators that you don't want to view on the Hub. This is called the "ignore" feature. When you click on the profile for the creator that you want to ignore, you will see buttons such as "Follow," "Ignore," and "Start Conversation." If you click on the ignore button, then you will no longer see that creator's context on the Hub for their media posts or any other posts. You can basically filter it out yourself. So, there is no reason for community level filtering.