Im having an issue where certain targets move even if not keyframed occasionaly. For example if i have of someone shaking their head. somwehere inbetween keyframe 1 and 2 the head or another target will jerk in a random direction as if theres a keyframe at that exact moment but there isnt one. I had an animation i was making. i had 10/50 seconds completed. once i reached 10 seconds for the rest of the empty timeline the head and hands would slowly fly into the air till it looped back. there were no keyframes to be possible to do that.
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I did that it helped for that specific animation and nothing else. Idk what happened but its like i cant use timeline anymore. just wont work normal now. All of my animation are like this when i make em. logging back in makes em worse i swear. Coping and pasting it onto a new person keeps the bugs. i noticed deleting the next keframe removes the snapping in between the keyframe 1 and 2. its like the keyuframes are choosing to rotate in the wrong direction or something idk. Timeline is what i use vam for so id like to figure this out
Edit: turned on ensure quarternion continuty and it continued to be buggy. turned off loop and the bugs were almost gone. turned back off continuity now the animation is normal no matter if loop/ensure continuity are on or off. idk why it works now but it does
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Hey Man. Fantastic plugin. Honestly i'd be lost without it, However I have been experiencing something odd that hopefully someone can help me with.
I'm not sure how best to explain this. perhaps it has something to do with a setting.
A few times now while setting an object as a target. the animation works fine but the atom will continue to move past the destination and return back. For example. If i set the height so an atom will move from 0 to 0.600 between two moments for some reason it gets to the second point and continues up to 0.650 before returning and unfortunately is breaking the scene. in many cases, i'm having to put a third point at 0.600 1 frame after the other to fix it.
Edit: It's like its moving before and after the keyframe, like its trying to get a running start.
I'm guessing there must be a simple fix or that i'm doing something silly.
Hopefully you understand what i'm getting at, thanks for any help you can provide.
I'm not sure how best to explain this. perhaps it has something to do with a setting.
A few times now while setting an object as a target. the animation works fine but the atom will continue to move past the destination and return back. For example. If i set the height so an atom will move from 0 to 0.600 between two moments for some reason it gets to the second point and continues up to 0.650 before returning and unfortunately is breaking the scene. in many cases, i'm having to put a third point at 0.600 1 frame after the other to fix it.
Edit: It's like its moving before and after the keyframe, like its trying to get a running start.
I'm guessing there must be a simple fix or that i'm doing something silly.
Hopefully you understand what i'm getting at, thanks for any help you can provide.
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If I'm understanding you correctly, you're talking about animation curves.
Each keyframe has a curve associated with it. Think of curves as a way to configure the start and end motions of keyframes.
Try changing the curves of the keyframes giving you problems to linear.
Be carefull, as linear keyframes 100% respect the movement you want, make make it seem unnatural, especially on person atoms.
Each keyframe has a curve associated with it. Think of curves as a way to configure the start and end motions of keyframes.
Try changing the curves of the keyframes giving you problems to linear.
Be carefull, as linear keyframes 100% respect the movement you want, make make it seem unnatural, especially on person atoms.
Didn't find this in search, so asking here: is it by design that Timeline plugin is not saving the range of the morph? I select the morph (default range from 0 to 1), increase the range in plugin UI (now the range is from 0 to 2), and create a simple animation where the value of the morph is changing from 0 to 2 and back to 0. Press play, it working. But if I save the scene and open it again later, the range of this morph inside the plugin is default again (from 0 to 1). Funny that animation is actually playing morph value from 0 to 2, but real morph state changing from 0 to 1 and then stuck. When animation value goes back from 2 to 0, real morph begin to change only after value goes below 1 to 0. If I manually increase the range of the morph again, all works perfectly again. How to fix this?
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I'll give it a look it's quite possible that that is whats going on, but these curves behave very strangely sometimes, it's not a problem i always encounter, but sometimes it's very jarring. Meaning i'm happy for it to curve but when there are two point with identical co-ordinates i figured it shouldn't moving around in between. I'd assumed the curves were for smoothing etc..
Edit. Yeah thank's a bunch. it does seem to be animation curves. for this one particular atom they were acting strangely, (curves when unnecessary) changing just those key frames to linear fixed it as expected.
Thanks again
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Hello there,
I'm new here, english isn't my first language so I'll try my best. I'm starting to mess with Timeline, and it's amazing ! Thanks AcidBubbles for that
However I encountered the same problem twice now, and didn't find any other person mentionning it anywhere on the internet :
So, I made two animations (each on two layers ; one for body poses, the other for facial expressions), containing some geometry targets (both anims have the same targets).
All of a sudden, the geometries on the "expressions" layer of both anims stopped affecting the Person's actual face when animations run.
Some informations :
- Geometries sliders will still move in Target tab, as defined by keyframes.
- Adding a new geometry works. Only the ones present "before the bug" are stuck.
- Moving the bugged geometries sliders in Female Morph tab works ; the Person's face is affected. So the problem is within Timeline.
- Removing a bugged geometry target and adding it again doesn't work.
- Exporting and importing animations doesn't resolve the problem. Same with layer.
- Recall: The problem only affected the anims on the second layer. On the first layer, present geometries still work and btw they are the same kind (poses, not morphs).
I can't tell exactly the moment and the cause of this, as I noticed it randomly after some time, but :
- Only thing that changed since last time I worked on the scene was me activating "Realtime LipSync" and "Vammoan" plugins on the Person (plugins were already there, just disabled). Don't know if it can generate some conflicts.
- MacGruber's life (breathing) was active all along.
It really acts like those specific targets were doomed by that iteration of the timeline plugin.
For now the only solution I found is to export all animations, delete Timeline plugin from the Person, and add a new one and import anims.
I'm new here, english isn't my first language so I'll try my best. I'm starting to mess with Timeline, and it's amazing ! Thanks AcidBubbles for that
However I encountered the same problem twice now, and didn't find any other person mentionning it anywhere on the internet :
So, I made two animations (each on two layers ; one for body poses, the other for facial expressions), containing some geometry targets (both anims have the same targets).
All of a sudden, the geometries on the "expressions" layer of both anims stopped affecting the Person's actual face when animations run.
Some informations :
- Geometries sliders will still move in Target tab, as defined by keyframes.
- Adding a new geometry works. Only the ones present "before the bug" are stuck.
- Moving the bugged geometries sliders in Female Morph tab works ; the Person's face is affected. So the problem is within Timeline.
- Removing a bugged geometry target and adding it again doesn't work.
- Exporting and importing animations doesn't resolve the problem. Same with layer.
- Recall: The problem only affected the anims on the second layer. On the first layer, present geometries still work and btw they are the same kind (poses, not morphs).
I can't tell exactly the moment and the cause of this, as I noticed it randomly after some time, but :
- Only thing that changed since last time I worked on the scene was me activating "Realtime LipSync" and "Vammoan" plugins on the Person (plugins were already there, just disabled). Don't know if it can generate some conflicts.
- MacGruber's life (breathing) was active all along.
It really acts like those specific targets were doomed by that iteration of the timeline plugin.
For now the only solution I found is to export all animations, delete Timeline plugin from the Person, and add a new one and import anims.
Vammoan and lipsync working together will sometimes cause some issues / weirdness when it comes to mouth morphs, when the person atom is talking and breathing at the same time. Uncheking "enable auto jaw" on vam moan fixes it (if I remember correctly). I think Vammoan 2 improves that functionality, but haven't tried it yet.
As for your problem, maybe you have morphs that are driven by / drive other morphs, and create a conflict?
Like, say, if you have a left hand fist on anim 1 / layer 1, and left index finger bend on anim 1 / layer 2.
One of them won't work because they're conflicting. I tested to make sure and left hand fist did nothing on layer 1.
Given you have plugins that control breathing morphs maybe those can be the issue? If audio is playing on headaudio source it might also conflict with phoneme morphs (I think).
Or stuff like smiles, which sometimes drive other morphs.
As for your problem, maybe you have morphs that are driven by / drive other morphs, and create a conflict?
Like, say, if you have a left hand fist on anim 1 / layer 1, and left index finger bend on anim 1 / layer 2.
One of them won't work because they're conflicting. I tested to make sure and left hand fist did nothing on layer 1.
Given you have plugins that control breathing morphs maybe those can be the issue? If audio is playing on headaudio source it might also conflict with phoneme morphs (I think).
Or stuff like smiles, which sometimes drive other morphs.
