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Can you share such a scene? I am really curious. I tried setting up a meditation scene myself.
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Considering that there are currently issues of THIS nature in the first VAM, I think it's worth forgetting about the second part... Instead of completing the first part, let's create a new one... It's frustrating how with good ideas and enthusiasm, I have to burn out because of such thing...
Not to say that there's no validity to the questionability of "if VAM 2.0 will deliver on its promises, and if it'll be delivered at all", but you need to consider the perspective that VAM 1.x was the first iteration of this project. It's essentially experimental, in the sense that this was their first attempt without the prior knowledge of what could go wrong and how it could be avoided.
VAM 2.0 seems to be built from the ground up with the idea to prevent the issues that popped up in 1.x. For the physics issues that are present in 1.x, it might take a huge reworking of some core fundamental physics-handling systems. At that point, wouldn't you prefer a fresh new product that comes with this stuff fixed out-of-the-box? Or would you prefer for them to dig deep into an already complex (and dated) system that would maybe take them the same amount of time as making a 2.0 while also potentially breaking a lot of things already developed for 1.x?
1.x delivers a WHOLE lot for a customizable sex game experience, way more than anything else out there, with full softbody collision and a huge resource database of readymade scenes and plugins that expand on the base game. The fact that something like this already exists is quite a feat. Now that the developers know what issues 1.x has, rather than tinkering with it and potentially making things worse while also being limited to 1.x's capabilities, they are working on a far more versatile and stable 2.0 version. Think of 2.0 as the fixes that 1.x needs.
Also need to limit your expectations as to what's possible in a video game in terms of physics systems. Unity 3D is not some advanced, super-efficient physics engine, so something as complex as VaM is likely to "explode" if users try to push it too hard. Any game engine out there will likely have the same issues, so I wouldn't expect 1.x, 2.0, or any other sex game out there to come out within the next 10 years at least, to be able to deal any of these issues with absolute grace and perfection. Your hyper-realistic video games are still just using cubes and cylinders for full-body collision, and they'll carry on doing that until some breakthrough in hardware is reached. VaM is already trying to go beyond that for a consumer-level video game, and hopefully 2.0 will handle things better, but we're still a ways away from never having to worry about these physics explosions ever happening again, no matter how well made 2.0 will be.
Nothing really fancy. I use nature scenes inside the VAM and then add my Mindful Meditation Audio files to the Scene audio. I also add other audio like birds singing or rain and cricket sounds to it. I cannot share the scene as meditation audio files could be subject to copyright. But setting this up for personal use is fast and extremely easy.
Example is :
And I use this too:
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This is quite the thread and discussion and I’d love to add my not-so-short two cents to it.
Before I do, please know that my background is 20 years of experience in film and video production, as well as photography. Therefore, I am fully acquainted with the principle of either doing things for free or being criminally underpaid for my hard-earned skills. Also, for two years prior to COVID, I was the official volunteer photographer for one of the biggest angel investment groups in Canada and covered their many monthly activities, which mainly consisted of pitch contests. Needless to say, throughout my career so far I’ve met with a great many entrepreneurs and investors and heard countless stories of successes and failures. The one thing they all have in common though is whether the entrepreneur managed to properly scale up or not.
If one wants to build a lemonade stand and leave it at that, that’s no problem at all, but if growth is part of the plan, then one needs a business plan that includes contingencies for growth, rapid or normal. One of the best examples of efficient scaling comes from Michael Dell. He started his business in his dorm room and a few years later he was helming a much bigger company, and the rest is history. Now, I don’t know the details beyond what Chat-GPT told me but one thing is certain, Dell either continued to build computers himself, and hired a business manager to handle the business side of his company, or he became the manager himself, and hired more hands to build the computers.
I’m glad that MVR chimed in earlier in this thread, and I fully respect his dedication, struggles, and desire to continue working on V2 himself, but this comes at the expense of the business side of Vam.
I discovered Vam back in May and became a creator-level supporter at the end of June. Since then, I’ve lurked here, intensely, and watched the growth, joys, and frustrations of creators. Although the Vam ecosystem is quite alive, it is also one gigantic mess.
From a purely consumer perspective things are not so bad. If I want to play a scene made by WeebUVR, for instance, I can simply download it and chances are it will work as intended right out of the box. Still, though, a dependency might need updating, and the experience will be messed up until it is. The potential for heavy friction is always high.
From the creative side, that’s where it goes south. I bought the creator-level for a reason. I believe Vam is the future, and I want to participate in with my own creations. Since June, I’ve been digging into scenes and learning the intricacies of plugin relationships, textures, assets, and more. As of today though, I still don’t know where to start and what to create. The reasons for this are manyfold:
It seems to me that the common thread amongst plugin creators is they hope their work will be used by creators to create something as new and exciting as it is unexpected. That’s all good, and if you are a creator that’s been here since the beginning you are at a clear advantage since all you need to be is keeping yourself abreast of anything new.
But if you happen to be someone new to Vam, then you are facing countless hours of trial and error when attempting to learn about resources, while always keeping in mind the CC system. Then one day, it all comes crashing down because someone releases a game-changer of a plugin. Massive FOMO can easily set in and may bring you back to square one all over again. Meanwhile, you still haven’t created anything.
Needless to say, the barrier to entry for new creators is stunningly high, and can only lead to hitting a ceiling down the road, where stagnation will occur.
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Another aspect of the ecosystem that hinders the healthy growth of Vam is the dynamic of Patreon/Discord used by a great many creators. I specifically prefaced this post for a good reason, which is applicable here. If you are a creator who wishes to be compensated for your efforts, that’s entirely reasonable, and that’s the long-term direction I wish to take as well. That being said, how many Patreon does a Vam creator need to support in order to have most of the tools needed for an efficient workflow that will let them create up-to-date and competitive products?
Compensation is indeed essential and is the best incentive there is, but it can surely be done using a means that streamlines the Vam ecosystem while reducing the barrier to entry at the same time.
Within the realm of adult gaming, I’ve joined and left my share of Discord servers over the years and they all seem to play out the same way; a handful of members will dwell in it, and most of the content is chit-chat, humor, gifs posting, etc. All in all, a massive source of distraction, and while the creator is busy defending the slightest nitpick, answering pointless questions, or repeating the same answer to the same question over and over again, they’re not creating. On top of that, if one manages to get an answer on the server, this means the community at large here does not benefit from it.
MVR cannot do everything, and if Vam’s ecosystem is to be improved, we must join him in his efforts. Frankly, what MVR et al. did with this forum is pretty damn good, so why not use it?
So I’m asking you, creators, imagine if you were compensated and you didn’t have to deal with Patreon and Discord management? How much of an improvement would that be on your creative process and output?
Lastly, questions raised by other posters like: “Will V2 break the plugins?”, “Will it be backward compatible”, “and if that is the case, “Will there be a fragmenting of the user base between versions?”etc., are perfectly valid, and need to be addressed as soon as possible, because they just add to the barrier of entry.
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As far as I am concerned, Vam is the most exciting thing around, and I would like nothing more than to see it grow into a healthy and strong adult, so to speak.
I have practical ideas and I wish to get involved. With more heads than one, these ideas may be improved upon, or perhaps even better, be replaced by better ones. If you feel the same, by all means, my DM is open and let’s start a discussion, formulate a plan, and support MVR/Vam with a hands-on approach that will contribute to the health of this ecosystem and guarantees all of us for years, if not decades, of awesomeness.
GS.
Before I do, please know that my background is 20 years of experience in film and video production, as well as photography. Therefore, I am fully acquainted with the principle of either doing things for free or being criminally underpaid for my hard-earned skills. Also, for two years prior to COVID, I was the official volunteer photographer for one of the biggest angel investment groups in Canada and covered their many monthly activities, which mainly consisted of pitch contests. Needless to say, throughout my career so far I’ve met with a great many entrepreneurs and investors and heard countless stories of successes and failures. The one thing they all have in common though is whether the entrepreneur managed to properly scale up or not.
If one wants to build a lemonade stand and leave it at that, that’s no problem at all, but if growth is part of the plan, then one needs a business plan that includes contingencies for growth, rapid or normal. One of the best examples of efficient scaling comes from Michael Dell. He started his business in his dorm room and a few years later he was helming a much bigger company, and the rest is history. Now, I don’t know the details beyond what Chat-GPT told me but one thing is certain, Dell either continued to build computers himself, and hired a business manager to handle the business side of his company, or he became the manager himself, and hired more hands to build the computers.
I’m glad that MVR chimed in earlier in this thread, and I fully respect his dedication, struggles, and desire to continue working on V2 himself, but this comes at the expense of the business side of Vam.
I discovered Vam back in May and became a creator-level supporter at the end of June. Since then, I’ve lurked here, intensely, and watched the growth, joys, and frustrations of creators. Although the Vam ecosystem is quite alive, it is also one gigantic mess.
From a purely consumer perspective things are not so bad. If I want to play a scene made by WeebUVR, for instance, I can simply download it and chances are it will work as intended right out of the box. Still, though, a dependency might need updating, and the experience will be messed up until it is. The potential for heavy friction is always high.
From the creative side, that’s where it goes south. I bought the creator-level for a reason. I believe Vam is the future, and I want to participate in with my own creations. Since June, I’ve been digging into scenes and learning the intricacies of plugin relationships, textures, assets, and more. As of today though, I still don’t know where to start and what to create. The reasons for this are manyfold:
- The vast number of plugins available, some of which do the same as others.
- The labyrinth that is the CC license system. Resources use one license type, while its dependencies use others, and dependencies have their own dependencies with their own license preference, and so forth
- The rapidly evolving nature of Vam. There’s something new or improved upon every single week. Sometimes it’s even bigger and steps into “game-changing” territory (looking at you Voxta )
It seems to me that the common thread amongst plugin creators is they hope their work will be used by creators to create something as new and exciting as it is unexpected. That’s all good, and if you are a creator that’s been here since the beginning you are at a clear advantage since all you need to be is keeping yourself abreast of anything new.
But if you happen to be someone new to Vam, then you are facing countless hours of trial and error when attempting to learn about resources, while always keeping in mind the CC system. Then one day, it all comes crashing down because someone releases a game-changer of a plugin. Massive FOMO can easily set in and may bring you back to square one all over again. Meanwhile, you still haven’t created anything.
Needless to say, the barrier to entry for new creators is stunningly high, and can only lead to hitting a ceiling down the road, where stagnation will occur.
***
Another aspect of the ecosystem that hinders the healthy growth of Vam is the dynamic of Patreon/Discord used by a great many creators. I specifically prefaced this post for a good reason, which is applicable here. If you are a creator who wishes to be compensated for your efforts, that’s entirely reasonable, and that’s the long-term direction I wish to take as well. That being said, how many Patreon does a Vam creator need to support in order to have most of the tools needed for an efficient workflow that will let them create up-to-date and competitive products?
Compensation is indeed essential and is the best incentive there is, but it can surely be done using a means that streamlines the Vam ecosystem while reducing the barrier to entry at the same time.
Within the realm of adult gaming, I’ve joined and left my share of Discord servers over the years and they all seem to play out the same way; a handful of members will dwell in it, and most of the content is chit-chat, humor, gifs posting, etc. All in all, a massive source of distraction, and while the creator is busy defending the slightest nitpick, answering pointless questions, or repeating the same answer to the same question over and over again, they’re not creating. On top of that, if one manages to get an answer on the server, this means the community at large here does not benefit from it.
MVR cannot do everything, and if Vam’s ecosystem is to be improved, we must join him in his efforts. Frankly, what MVR et al. did with this forum is pretty damn good, so why not use it?
So I’m asking you, creators, imagine if you were compensated and you didn’t have to deal with Patreon and Discord management? How much of an improvement would that be on your creative process and output?
Lastly, questions raised by other posters like: “Will V2 break the plugins?”, “Will it be backward compatible”, “and if that is the case, “Will there be a fragmenting of the user base between versions?”etc., are perfectly valid, and need to be addressed as soon as possible, because they just add to the barrier of entry.
*****
As far as I am concerned, Vam is the most exciting thing around, and I would like nothing more than to see it grow into a healthy and strong adult, so to speak.
I have practical ideas and I wish to get involved. With more heads than one, these ideas may be improved upon, or perhaps even better, be replaced by better ones. If you feel the same, by all means, my DM is open and let’s start a discussion, formulate a plan, and support MVR/Vam with a hands-on approach that will contribute to the health of this ecosystem and guarantees all of us for years, if not decades, of awesomeness.
GS.
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Unreal is far more suited to this sort of immersive 3d model based app than unity. Unreal 5 is getting towards photo realism at this point. It's scalable nanite system is perfect for this sort of app where your viewpoint to assets will vary from distant to very close (if you know what I mean). Plus unreal 5 has a wonderful creators interface and is heavily used by much of the gaming industry meaning that assets, skilled users and general eco system are far better than unity. However it may be that sticking with unity allows for vam1 assets and addons to be used with vam2, it's about the only reason for retaining unity.
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On Discord, Meshed has said:
"I have 5-6 years experience in Unity and only a few months with Unreal. Unity is more easily extensible in my opinion, although Unreal is maybe better about that these days. I can easily make my own physics engine in Unity, but that would be very difficult to do in Unreal. A custom physics engine is required for what I want to do with skin physics."
he has also estimated that making the jump to Unreal would set the project back 2-3 years, as he'd have to start everything from scratch. I don't think anyone wants that!
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I can put assets/atoms and change looks but for many years still think animation is hard to learn. I hope VAM2 will simplify that process. Also, will VAM2 be on UE5? we need to be able to add multiple looks in one scene without FPS dragging us down.
Not UE5 no, VAM 2.x will be on a modern version of Unity. Not as advanced as UE5, but compared to the current version of Unity it runs on, might as well say it's a completely different world. It will be significantly more advanced, nonetheless.
Unity is the worst language for writing games. And for this kind of games even more so. It's very sad.
Keep in mind that VAM is not a FPS shooter with tons of characters running around, on MP and bullet physics filling up the CPU. I am pretty sure that Unity can handle VERY well the FPS of few characters having sex ...
But dem' titties uses so much math! Titty math!
Run VAM and see how Unity handles FPS )))) my 3060ti "takes off" sometimes from a measly TWO characters...
It does not mean that Unity is the problem. VAM is quite a huge piece of software sitting on Unity. It could require some serious rearchitecting.
I'll put my two cents in, with VAM 1.0, i can pretty much create a 95% realistic looking scene with the right lighting, home grown textures, my own assets that i spend hours upon hours on, to get a almost real look. If we are to expect more from VAM 2.0, which i would expect to be the case, it will be nothing short of freaking incredible. I'm good with waiting for the release, a new beta would be really nice if that were possible, just to get our taste buds salivating. Just tryna save up enough for whatever the latest graphic card will be by then, so i'll be able to enjoy it. Yeah, it's taken forever, but Rome wasn't built in a day.
We have faith in you.
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Just in case you missed it: https://hub.virtamate.com/threads/anyone-tried-the-2-x-alpha.15217/
Look up my post especially: https://hub.virtamate.com/threads/anyone-tried-the-2-x-alpha.15217/post-40381
Look up my post especially: https://hub.virtamate.com/threads/anyone-tried-the-2-x-alpha.15217/post-40381
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Yes, impressive, but that info was from 2 years ago. What's the current status of it?
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Nothing new yet aka this IS the current status ?
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Shit man, I just wanna use it to take stills for visual novels and stuff like that. Vam is way more easy to understand with the little time I've had with it compared to DAZ3D.
I've been part of the VAM community for a bunch of years now (I lost track) and not once have I felt abused monetarily. In fact the opposite. For as much as I use this program...combined with the couple of times I've had to buy a new key...I honestly feel like I'm the one cheating. I would sub all the time but don't have the money for that and not once have I been made to feel bad about it. This community is one of the nicest and coolest ones I've EVER seen. Which is nothing to sneeze at since it has grown so big. There's constant new material on a daily basis in the form of plugins, scenes and all sorts of other stuff. My install of Vam 1 has changed dramatically in the past few years. I can understand frustration at waiting for something drastically different and better (me personally, I'm looking forward to true skin collision and full body physics) but considering a few years ago I never even dreamed a program like this was even possible, I'm quite content with using 1. I started with Poser 4 and if you told me back then that one day I'd be able to literally step into some of these scene models and stand side by side with the figures, I would have told you that you were crazy. @meshedvr Keep doing what you're doing! I love this program and the community it's created.
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Half year later, no update at all. Nothing. I am really a patient guy, but 15K paying members on patreon and there's nothing to show? Did I miss something cause I'm no member. Is there ANY progress update?
At least 1 VaM2 Beta will be released this year.
In my last Patreon post:
I frequently post on Discord. Where I have failed is to update on Patreon.
And I posted this the other day on Discord.
In my last Patreon post:
I frequently post on Discord. Where I have failed is to update on Patreon.
And I posted this the other day on Discord.
