Guides Preset Definitions

[JayJayWon]

Hi Jay, I think the Plugins and Plugin parameters rows are incorrect for General Preset column. Currently it says

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This implies that Plugins always save with a general preset regardless of which of Pose, Physical and Appearance are checked, and that no plugin parameters are saved unless Appearance is checked.

In my testing, Plugins only save if App is checked. In other words, this is when the preset file contains a JSON object with the id PluginManager and an object containing the plugin file references. This is what controls which plugins are loaded on the atom, but not what their parameters are. So it should say "App" on the Plugins row.

As for plugin parameters, it seems that plugin parameters store in a general preset regardless of which of Pose, Physics and Appearance are checked. If Appearance is not checked, the plugins themselves (i,.e. references to the loaded plugin file paths) are not stored, but their parameters are still stored. Thus, it should have the checkmark on the Plugin Parameters row rather than the Plugins row.

Which parameters get saved with which checkboxes also seem to follow the storeType rules, like with legacy preset types. For example if a parameter's storeType is Full, and you haven't selected all three checkboxes, that parameter will not save.

I agree that the current description is not right and your definition seems more accurate. However, I'm seeing some differences between saving and loading behaviour when I test again. It seems that it only loads plugins from General Preset when Appearance & Physical are checked?

 

[everlaster]

I agree that the current description is not right and your definition seems more accurate. However, I'm seeing some differences between saving and loading behaviour when I test again. It seems that it only loads plugins from General Preset when Appearance & Physical are checked?

I can confirm that, plugins are loaded only if Appearance and Physical are both checked. However, I just tested it and plugins are saved if only Appearance is checked - Physical is not required to save, but it is required to load (which makes no sense)!

 

[JayJayWon]

JayJayWon updated Preset Definitions with a new update entry:

General Preset Plugins update

Updated General Preset entries for Plugins & Plugin parameters to more accurately reflect observed behaviour. Thanks to @everlaster for pointing out the necessary amendments

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[JayJayWon]

I can confirm that, plugins are loaded only if Appearance and Physical are both checked. However, I just tested it and plugins are saved if only Appearance is checked - Physical is not required to save, but it is required to load (which makes no sense)!

Yes, looks like unintended behaviour to me. I've updated the documentation accordingly.

 

[everlaster]

Hi Jay, the Auto Behaviors info is outdated when it comes to the Lip Sync settings. Those are stored with a General Preset where Include Physical is checked

 

[JayJayWon]

Hi Jay, the Auto Behaviors info is outdated when it comes to the Lip Sync settings. Those are stored with a General Preset where Include Physical is checked

I've update accordingly. Havent got the time to test it myself at the moment - so I'm trusting you've got it right!

 

[everlaster]

I've update accordingly. Havent got the time to test it myself at the moment - so I'm trusting you've got it right!

Since they are part of Physical, they do not store with an Appearance Preset, by the way. Not sure if they store with legacy look either..

 

[atani]

Just tested that Auto Behaviours (Lip Sync) is a scene setting and not stored in an apperance preset as shown in the checklist.
When you are able, please make that correction.
Thank you

 

[JayJayWon]

Just tested that Auto Behaviours (Lip Sync) is a scene setting and not stored in an apperance preset as shown in the checklist.
When you are able, please make that correction.
Thank you

Hmm that seems illogical that it would be a scene setting (but might be right!). Can you talk me through how you got to that conclusion? Did you check to see where in the scene json it was stored? It might be not be an appearance preset setting - but given its a Person atom data item it should be in one of the Person presets.

 

[atani]

Hmm that seems illogical that it would be a scene setting (but might be right!). Can you talk me through how you got to that conclusion? Did you check to see where in the scene json it was stored? It might be not be an appearance preset setting - but given its a Person atom data item it should be in one of the Person presets.

My bad on what I wrote. I never use General presets and even forget they exist.
Lip sync data is not a "scene thing" as I said, silly me, they are stored with a person General preset, but not in a Appearance preset as the checklist indicates.

To test I loaded a person atom, changed some lip sync values and saved 2 appearance presets: one with the lip sync checkbox OFF and the other with ON. The appearance presets were identical and no lip sync data was found in those presets.
The general preset was also tested and does save the info.