Plugins + Scripts VAMMoan 2 (teaser)

[hazmhox]

And thank you <3

 

[ZROW]

I probably will release VAMExcite which is the "brother" plugin of VAMM2 that allows it to work in interactive mode ^^

Any news on when this will be released?

 

[hazmhox]

Not really, I'm focusing to finish our next collab. Most things I release are tied to it.

 

[colin1]

hey I'm pretty new to VAM all I wanted to do was to add my custom VA pack to the character on other peoples scenes and I finally understood the logic by adding one of the legacy voice packs via button trigger, this legacy VA pack is shared by @VAMFantasy and the files were grouped into 7 groups, these are GROUP_ClaireInt0..... to int4 and also org and prep org groups. I added these groups via Play VA groups automatic button trigger and it worked but it only plays 1 of those groups, my expectation from plugin was detecting the name of the group (for instance if the group name is int0 play that on int 0 stage) and also you say on your VA demo it picks and plays "random" VA file from the loaded ones. if you can add a feature like I explained that changes all vanilla sound files with our owns it would be great, people could use their own VA and sound packs this way. I was using the AudioMate plugin for this use but that plays sounds randomly from the collection and doesn't have intimacy feauture like VAMM2 plus it is a pain in the ass setting it up in a scene cause most of the scenes are using VAMM2

 

[hazmhox]

hey I'm pretty new to VAM all I wanted to do was to add my custom VA pack to the character on other peoples scenes and I finally understood the logic by adding one of the legacy voice packs via button trigger, this legacy VA pack is shared by @VAMFantasy and the files were grouped into 7 groups, these are GROUP_ClaireInt0..... to int4 and also org and prep org groups. I added these groups via Play VA groups automatic button trigger and it worked but it only plays 1 of those groups, my expectation from plugin was detecting the name of the group (for instance if the group name is int0 play that on int 0 stage) and also you say on your VA demo it picks and plays "random" VA file from the loaded ones. if you can add a feature like I explained that changes all vanilla sound files with our owns it would be great, people could use their own VA and sound packs this way. I was using the AudioMate plugin for this use but that plays sounds randomly from the collection and doesn't have intimacy feauture like VAMM2 plus it is a pain in the ass setting it up in a scene cause most of the scenes are using VAMM2

This has been discussed over and over on both VAMM1 and VAMM2 discussion threads. I've suggested people to send me serious libraries, none of them ever did it. And the amount of people with the skillset or patience to do that is so minimal that my time is better spent elsewhere on my plugins.

The VA system is not tied to the arousal system as it makes no sense. When Excite will be available, it will be a way to control VA based on the arousal.

So that you don't misunderstand me, I'm never against suggestions and ideas. As most of my plugins and discussions show. But I'm also pragmatic and I prefer to work on things that benefit a lot of use case/creators or even simpler, my needs. When I'm spending time doing something for 3 persons, which will probably be used in 2 scenes over 3 years... i'm not spending time on things that will be used widely for every possible scene.

If there is no other solid voice plugin, with serious features and excellent voices, there's a clear reason behind that: money/means and time/knowledge. The moment people see the INSANE amount of time you have to spend to make a voice great, they pretty much drop the ball. And this, with just the VAMM1 complexity. With VAMM2 and it's average 500 to 2000 files per voice, it's even worst.

If there's any "user customizable voice" in the future, it might only be on VAM 2. And I'm saying "might"... not will

 

[colin1]

This has been discussed over and over on both VAMM1 and VAMM2 discussion threads. I've suggested people to send me serious libraries, none of them ever did it. And the amount of people with the skillset or patience to do that is so minimal that my time is better spent elsewhere on my plugins.

The VA system is not tied to the arousal system as it makes no sense. When Excite will be available, it will be a way to control VA based on the arousal.

So that you don't misunderstand me, I'm never against suggestions and ideas. As most of my plugins and discussions show. But I'm also pragmatic and I prefer to work on things that benefit a lot of use case/creators or even simpler, my needs. When I'm spending time doing something for 3 persons, which will probably be used in 2 scenes over 3 years... i'm not spending time on things that will be used widely for every possible scene.

If there is no other solid voice plugin, with serious features and excellent voices, there's a clear reason behind that: money/means and time/knowledge. The moment people see the INSANE amount of time you have to spend to make a voice great, they pretty much drop the ball. And this, with just the VAMM1 complexity. With VAMM2 and it's average 500 to 2000 files per voice, it's even worst.

If there's any "user customizable voice" in the future, it might only be on VAM 2. And I'm saying "might"... not will

thanks for the reply, I think you think way too professional about "sound libraries", the way I created my audio pack was ripping a audio of porn video and then I cleaned it added compression and equalizer and noise removal, and then I cut the moans and small/dirty talks and lasty properly named them, I ended up with 106 .waw file from a 16 min video I understand your professional approach for the built in voices but I feel like there is a need for this type of amateur audio as well and if someone could do it I believe it would be really popular.

trying to learn the current VA feature of VAMM2 took me a 1-2 days cause I never used any trigger and I was like where the f is this Play VA groups automatic feature, I can't be the only people who wants a easy to setup audio right I guess I'll have to stick with AudioMate for now, thanks for your time again.

 

[hazmhox]

Sorry for having quality standards haha.

Yes, I think that if your goal is ripping random porn videos and ripping them ( which is btw, an IP infringement ), you are better off using AudioMate. You're not gonna get anywhere with 100 files for VAMM2 where the basic set requires around 250 at minimum, including very subtle audio cues that are pretty much non-existent in porn.

And at the end of the day, I've been around since a very (very) long time. And considering requests for complex audio implementations from people that are quite new is very very low on my list. I've tried to be extremely thorough, helpful and patient about VAMM in the past... giving a bunch of people the structure of the libraries and guidelines to build them, so that they could bring content for VAM, this never got anywhere. You are sadly accusing of my past experiences, and unless you'd litterally bring a complete package, ready to use, properly mixed and mastered which fits the quality I'm aiming for, it is unlikely for me to work on that. 'coz I can't count the number of people who thinks that "vam needs this", play with VAM for 10 hours, then never ever come back after three months.

Best case scenario, if you are that motivated, the license of both VAMM authorizes you to fork it and create your own library.

 

[kim05]

Hey, @hazmhox, I really don't wanna bother you, but I am at a loss with this.
"Attempt to load new assetbundle while another is already being loaded" error displays as I am trying to load any CUA after I tried adding my own custom library to Vammoan, did it incorrectly as I figured out later and then pressed "clear VA". Found out I have this issue after I loaded the scene the next day and realised Vamatmosphere went silent, plugin stopped showing audio tracks in the dropdown menu, and asset tab displays "Loading Please Wait" indefinitely when I try to load Vamatmosphere assetbundle again.
Pressing "Clear" on the asset tab displays the aforementioned error message.
I searched for a solution to this error and MacGruber mentioned in one thread that it's an AssetBundle loaded by some plugin and scene's json file can be edited to rectify this somehow.
Some plugin in my instance could be both vammoan or vamatmosphere perhaps, but I have no idea what to look for in the JSON in particular to remove and fix the scene.
Could you possibly advise?

 

[hazmhox]

Could you possibly advise?

Read this tutorial: https://hub.virtamate.com/resources/a-guide-to-updating-vars-and-plugins.27059/
Which gives a couple of hints on why assetbundles could fail. One being having the same var of two different versions. Look at the Fix the dreaded invalid assetbundle error section.

When an assetbundle fails, more or less, the whole assetbundle pipeline fails. So unless you hard reset, pretty much all plugins relying on assetbundles will stop working... hence why you had the issue with VAMA afterwards.

Use the methods in the tutorial, it should fix your issue which is most likely due to versions : )

 

[kim05]

Read this tutorial: https://hub.virtamate.com/resources/a-guide-to-updating-vars-and-plugins.27059/
Which gives a couple of hints on why assetbundles could fail. One being having the same var of two different versions. Look at the Fix the dreaded invalid assetbundle error section.

When an assetbundle fails, more or less, the whole assetbundle pipeline fails. So unless you hard reset, pretty much all plugins relying on assetbundles will stop working... hence why you had the issue with VAMA afterwards.

Use the methods in the tutorial, it should fix your issue which is most likely due to versions : )

I did go through with update method 1 and it did not resolve the problem. Update method 2 seems irrelevant, because Vammoan or Vamatmospehere are not present in the save file as I've tried to remove them initially to fix it thinking if there are no references to the plugins that are the main suspects in this case then there will be nothing to load and VaM will stop trying to do that. Update method 3 is what I've done first thing when I encountered this issue.

I don't think I've actually tried to load any different versions of the same assetbundle at any point and the error I have on my scene sends a different message: Attempt to load new assetbundle while another is already being loaded not invalid assetbundle error.

I understand those could have the same cause, but it does not appear so if no methods have worked. Like I supposed in prior message my main suspicion is that Vammoan custom VA feature tries to load a VA package that is not correctly set up (because I am an idiot and haven't done enough research before trying to do so) and is stuck on that. How or why this even happens when there is no reference to Vammoan in the save file, after I've deleted the single instance I've had of it, I have no idea and that is what confuses me. Though I think it simply must be it, because I have not done any other action that I haven't done a thousand times before, loading custom VA folder was the only new thing and right after that the error happened subsequently barring me from loading any CUA.

Re-adding Vammoan causes the voice choice slider to run without choosing the voice while no voice is played. My best bet would be on identifying a string that has a reference to whatever the hell is being requested to load, but I cannot do so on my own, alas, my talents lie eslewhere and code might as well be traditional chinese to me. I understand you wont be able to identify that either just off the written description of the mess I've made, but if perhaps you have any other theories that spring to mind, it would be highly appreciated. Thank you for responding regardless.

 

[hazmhox]

I think you're confusing a couple of things. VA has zero connection whatsoever to assetbundles. It's a simple way of loading multiple audio files in one go... there is absolutely no relationship with the main library loaded as an assetbundle and your potential custom VA files.

The VA system then saves a list of paths to the audio files, which again is not tied to assetbundles.

The whole assetbundle errors both "invalid" or "already loaded" are quite similar. The scene you're working with is simply trying to load either a similar bundle or two different versions. Also note that any plugin using assetbundle will produce the error. So maybe you're thinking that VAMM triggers that, when in fact it's another plugin... which will block/crash the whole assetbundle system for any other plugin.

Send your scene json, or it's unlikely I can do much about it.

I've provided help for years about the assetbundle system... you can trust me when I say that you most likely have missed something and there's 99.9% chance you're mixing several similar bundle in the scene triggering the bug. I work on a daily basis with VAMM1, VAMM2, VAMAtmosphere or VAMStory, and I never ever have any problem with that... this is probably one of the aspect of the plugins that is/was extensively tested over the years.

Also consider any other plugins from creators who could rely on my assetbundles from older versions and could trigger the same behavior.

 

[kim05]

I think you're confusing a couple of things. VA has zero connection whatsoever to assetbundles. It's a simple way of loading multiple audio files in one go... there is absolutely no relationship with the main library loaded as an assetbundle and your potential custom VA files.

The VA system then saves a list of paths to the audio files, which again is not tied to assetbundles.

The whole assetbundle errors both "invalid" or "already loaded" are quite similar. The scene you're working with is simply trying to load either a similar bundle or two different versions. Also note that any plugin using assetbundle will produce the error. So maybe you're thinking that VAMM triggers that, when in fact it's another plugin... which will block/crash the whole assetbundle system for any other plugin.

Send your scene json, or it's unlikely I can do much about it.

I've provided help for years about the assetbundle system... you can trust me when I say that you most likely have missed something and there's 99.9% chance you're mixing several similar bundle in the scene triggering the bug. I work on a daily basis with VAMM1, VAMM2, VAMAtmosphere or VAMStory, and I never ever have any problem with that... this is probably one of the aspect of the plugins that is/was extensively tested over the years.

Also consider any other plugins from creators who could rely on my assetbundles from older versions and could trigger the same behavior.

I appreciate you elaborating on VA, I am indeed very much confused hence everything I said is undoubtedly conjecture.
I have made the decision to rebuild the scene from the oldest stable save, at this point it seems it would be simpler and faster. I do not wish to bother you any further, but if you still would like to take a looksie at the json, then that would be nice, maybe something could be salvaged there.
Thanks again for helping me with this

 

[hazmhox]

You don't bother me, no problem at all sir!
Will look at the json asap!