Benchmark Result Discussion

[TdotONY]

I just upgraded my system from 5800X / DDR4 3600 CL16 / RTX 3080 to 7800X3D / DDR5 6000 CL30 / RTX 3080 and my benchmark results are very disappointing. The average and maximum framerates with the new system are worse than with the 5800x, while the minimum framerates have improved.

I ran the benchmark in Desktop 1080p/1440p as well as VR with a Quest Pro at 90Hz / 1.0 scaling / ASW disabled in the Oculus software and at 1.0 render scale with VAM in-game settings on both hardware setups.

Here are the results. Windows 11 Pro. Idk why the benchmark says Windows 10.
4K 60Hz TV with vsync off.

I almost want to return this hardware....It's done nothing to improve my gaming experience overall. Not only VaM.

Desktop 1080P:

Desktop 1440p:

VR at 1x Render Scaling - Quest Pro Resolution - AWS Disabled

 

[Seraphim]

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I just upgraded my system from 5800X / DDR4 3600 CL16 / RTX 3080 to 7800X3D / DDR5 6000 CL30 / RTX 3080 and my benchmark results are very disappointing. The average and maximum framerates with the new system are worse than with the 5800x, while the minimum framerates have improved.

I ran the benchmark in Desktop 1080p/1440p as well as VR with a Quest Pro at 90Hz / 1.0 scaling / ASW disabled in the Oculus software and at 1.0 render scale with VAM in-game settings on both hardware setups.

Here are the results. Windows 11 Pro. Idk why the benchmark says Windows 10.
4K 60Hz TV with vsync off.

I almost want to return this hardware....It's done nothing to improve my gaming experience overall. Not only VaM.

Youre GPU bottlenecked. Your cpu physics times are much better, but your gpu is holding your fps back. Also make sure you download/install the chipset for your cpu and update bios. Otherwise, you lose 10% performance of the 7800x3d. Plus enable PBO, and Curve optomizer to around -30. But still wont fix the gpu bottleneck, sorry.

 

[Seraphim]

Messing with the ramsecondary timings, helped it a little.

 

[TdotONY]

Youre GPU bottlenecked. Your cpu physics times are much better, but your gpu is holding your fps back. Also make sure you download/install the chipset for your cpu and update bios. Otherwise, you lose 10% performance of the 7800x3d. Plus enable PBO, and Curve optomizer to around -30. But still wont fix the gpu bottleneck, sorry.

I did update the bios to the latest revision and installed the AMD chipset drivers manually.

I see no way to set up PBO2 in the BIOS like I could with the 5800x (and did). It seems like AMD has locked away this capability?

I was reading about it with the 5800X3D and apparently it is possible to do it with some third party utility from within Windows itself, but I'm not sure I trust that software.

Manually adjusting the curves in the BIOS just simply isn't an option with this CPU. I looked everywhere in the BIOS and it's just not there at all.

I see you have this CPU as well, so how did you adjust the PBO curves?

 

[Seraphim]

I did update the bios to the latest revision and installed the AMD chipset drivers manually.

I see no way to set up PBO2 in the BIOS like I could with the 5800x (and did). It seems like AMD has locked away this capability?

I was reading about it with the 5800X3D and apparently it is possible to do it with some third party utility from within Windows itself, but I'm not sure I trust that software.

Manually adjusting the curves in the BIOS just simply isn't an option with this CPU. I looked everywhere in the BIOS and it's just not there at all.

I see you have this CPU as well, so how did you adjust the PBO curves?

Different motherboards have it in different locations. My gigabyte B650 has 2 different places to change PBO. And curve optimizer is in the PBO "advanced" section. Might have to look up your motherboard bios manual or something.

 

[VirtAmateur]

I just upgraded my system from 5800X / DDR4 3600 CL16 / RTX 3080 to 7800X3D / DDR5 6000 CL30 / RTX 3080 and my benchmark results are very disappointing. The average and maximum framerates with the new system are worse than with the 5800x, while the minimum framerates have improved.

I ran the benchmark in Desktop 1080p/1440p as well as VR with a Quest Pro at 90Hz / 1.0 scaling / ASW disabled in the Oculus software and at 1.0 render scale with VAM in-game settings on both hardware setups.

Here are the results. Windows 11 Pro. Idk why the benchmark says Windows 10.
4K 60Hz TV with vsync off.

I almost want to return this hardware....It's done nothing to improve my gaming experience overall. Not only VaM.

Desktop 1080P:
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Desktop 1440p:
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VR at 1x Render Scaling - Quest Pro Resolution - AWS Disabled
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Comparing to your 1440p results, it looks like the 3D v-cache is not really helping

By the way, has anyone tried the 7900 XTX?

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CPU: Ryzen 7 7700X (PBO enabled, auto settings)
RAM: 32GB G.Skill Flare X5 CL32-38-38-96 (@Expo 6000MHz)
GPU: RTX 3080 (Gigabyte Gaming OC 12G stock)
MBO: AsRock B650M PG Riptide
Resolution: 2560x1440 1440p

Adding 1080p results:

 

[Seraphim]

It's not helping fps because your both GPU bottlenecked.

 

[HolySchmidt]

People dont understand ?

 

[VirtAmateur]

Well, I'm here to be enlightened, and I thought it was an interesting comparison seeing as we have similar systems. Please do share your rationale on why you think a GPU bottleneck causes this.

EDIT: I guess I'm answering my own question https://hub.virtamate.com/threads/benchmark-result-discussion.13131/page-30#post-102894

I'm still interested in knowing if the 7900XTX would be a good choice, given the crazy prices of the 4080 and 4090

Additionally, I'm not sure how comparable the results are, but here is an older benchmark with my previous CPU, a 5900X that seemed to perform better in most regards.

 

[Seraphim]

You can check if you gpu is going 95-100% during the benchmarks. Yes 7900xtx would help you fix the bottleneck and let your cpu perform better.

 

[lolmao500]

I just upgraded my system from 5800X / DDR4 3600 CL16 / RTX 3080 to 7800X3D / DDR5 6000 CL30 / RTX 3080

Why? Upgrading to the same CPU generation and DDR5 instead of DDR4 of course youre gonna have zero difference.... You might get more points in benchmarks but in the real world? Nothing... Did you do your research before or do you have just too much money? I hope you sold your old stuff for decent money or something...

Just wait for another generation of GPU/CPU to upgrade at least otherwise youre just throwing your money in the fire.

 

[Jiraiya]

I have a 5600x and was looking at the 5800x3d or whatever it's called.
Benchmarks seem to suggest it's a substantial upgrade but no idea how that translates to the world of VaM.

 

[Seraphim]

I have a 5600x and was looking at the 5800x3d or whatever it's called.
Benchmarks seem to suggest it's a substantial upgrade but no idea how that translates to the world of VaM.

Some 5800x3d comparisons here:

Hardware Performance comparison tables

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[Jiraiya]

Thanks for that link, It seems clear from that the 5800X3D has dramatically better performance in VaM than a 5600X.
Not totally unexpected, but it comes down to value for money. I over paid for the 5600X during the peak of the "chip shortage" and the 5800X3D would require a new mobo as well as CPU... So expensive.

 

[RandomVAMUser]

...and the 5800X3D would require a new mobo as well as CPU... So expensive.

Do you mean 7800X3D (AM5)?

Because 5800X3D is AM4, so you can probably swap it with current 5600X, look at "supported models" list for your motherboard.
You can put 5800X3D inside first gen AM4 boards (B350/X370), or 2nd gen (B450/X470), it doesn't need to be 3th gen (B550/X570)...unless you care for PCIe4.

I am considering changing my 3600 for 5800X3D (370€), simple swap inside B450 and call it a day.
Because a) My old 1080p monitor still serves me well, no need to buy 1440p for sake of it. b) VR is not my cup of tea (Don't use it, don't care).
So in my case, I see no value in wasting money for new 1080p system, as an "upgrade".

Spoiler: Pricing as of right now

Not even considering upgrading to AM5, but if I was:
1) (240-260€) - "decent" B650 board, basically anything above D3H/Gaming X/Prime...
2) (~580€) - 7800X3D
3) (~180€) - DDR5 5200 32GB kit, as a minimum
4) GPU: current gen offerings are a dogshit. I could use old RX5700, otherwise need "1440p" GPU to justify an upgrade (RX x700 / RTX x070).
My RX5700 was ~430€ and current cheapest (garbage) offerings start at:
RX6700 (380-420€)
RX6700 XT (470€+)
RX6750 XT (480-500€)
3070 (590-620€)
3070Ti (670-720€)

Including GPU total would be around 1400-1600€ for a 1080p system? Not worth it...
So.. last gen 5800X3D +GPU (down the road) is probably gonna be my upgrade for this year.

 

[Jiraiya]

ugh. I have a 5600x and want a 7800x3d....
Not thinking when typing

 

[Seraphim]

ugh. I have a 5600x and want a 7800x3d....
Not thinking when typing

ooh, ok. Well, now you know even the 5800X3d is still a dramatic upgrade from your cpu, and a cheaper one at that.

 

[Jiraiya]

Indeed, I am surprised at the performance gain from the jump from 5600x to 5800x3d.
If the 5800x3d fits my mobo without other changes it because a real option, but it's still expensive.
I can't imagine how fast the 7800x3d will perform, I can't wait to see that showing up in benchmark comparisons.

 

[Seraphim]

Indeed, I am surprised at the performance gain from the jump from 5600x to 5800x3d.
If the 5800x3d fits my mobo without other changes it because a real option, but it's still expensive.
I can't imagine how fast the 7800x3d will perform, I can't wait to see that showing up in benchmark comparisons.

It depends on what GPU you have as well. Because, if you have a gpu bottleneck, then it doesn't matter how fast your cpu is, as a few previous posts up, some people on here have found out after upgrading to 7800X3D, with a 3080. They saw no fps gains. As I saw gains from a 11900k to 7800X3D on a 4090. Its more for people with high cards who are bumping into cpu bottlenecks.

Benchmark Result Discussion

I was still within my 30 day window, so I returned the 4080 and swapped it with a 4090. Results of the 4080 on the same system are above - I think your addonPackages folder is too big, you can move files to another folder, and get huge improvement.

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I just upgraded my system from 5800X / DDR4 3600 CL16 / RTX 3080 to 7800X3D / DDR5 6000 CL30 / RTX 3080 and my benchmark results are very disappointing. The average and maximum framerates with the new system are worse than with the 5800x, while the minimum framerates have improved. I ran the...

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[Jiraiya]

I think "bottleneck" is a bit of a misnomer here. A bottleneck would imply the CPU restricts the GPUs performance, I don't think that is the case.
In the benchmarks my highest ms times are physics/sim related which is CPU. The GPU renders the scene quite quickly and is negligible in time relative to the slowness of the CPU.
If I half the physics time I can nearly double my framerate in theory because even my 3060 renders most of my scenes well. I have got used to using GiveMeFPS etc to cut back on hair rendering time, reflections etc to squeeze the most out of my system but there is no button to speed up physics/sim/collisions.

If you look at some high end graphics on games you can see the GPU is quite capable of rendering amazing scenes, when not trying to do full soft body collision on a complex set of meshes.
Turning off sim hair/clothes speeds things up but looks fugly half the time. My only real question is can I afford the upgrade. The answer is not at the moment because people are still overcharging. They are trying to sell second hand 5800X3D cpus for more than I can get a new one at a reputable online retailer, which is frankly fucking insulting.

Once the 7x00X3D comes out and people realise they can't charge such stupid prices for the 5800X3D I hope they drop at least a hundred and I might pick one up.

 

[TdotONY]

Why? Upgrading to the same CPU generation and DDR5 instead of DDR4 of course youre gonna have zero difference.... You might get more points in benchmarks but in the real world? Nothing... Did you do your research before or do you have just too much money? I hope you sold your old stuff for decent money or something...

Just wait for another generation of GPU/CPU to upgrade at least otherwise youre just throwing your money in the fire.

What are you talking about the same generation? I went from Zen 3 to Zen 4, non-3D vcache to 3D vcache...

 

[lolmao500]

What are you talking about the same generation? I went from Zen 3 to Zen 4, non-3D vcache to 3D vcache...

Ooops I misread the post lol. I bet your FPS increased in basically all games by a lot except VAM.

Your new PC will be a beast for VAM 2 thats for sure since VAM2 will be much more efficient at using more cores. Since you have the best CPU on the market, all you'll need now is a GPU upgrade. Hopefully next gen of GPU, AMD beats Nvidia so we can have GOOD prices for once... it would be the first time since the cryptos... stinking cryptos and stinking nvidia selling to miners through the backdoor in China while telling their customers to suck it... Nvidia will have to stop being such assholes before I buy anything from them ever again.

 

[TdotONY]

Ooops I misread the post lol. I bet your FPS increased in basically all games by a lot except VAM.

Your new PC will be a beast for VAM 2 thats for sure since VAM2 will be much more efficient at using more cores. Since you have the best CPU on the market, all you'll need now is a GPU upgrade. Hopefully next gen of GPU, AMD beats Nvidia so we can have GOOD prices for once... it would be the first time since the cryptos... stinking cryptos and stinking nvidia selling to miners through the backdoor in China while telling their customers to suck it... Nvidia will have to stop being such assholes before I buy anything from them ever again.

Yes. I was looking forward to the 4000 series, but nvidia is charging more money for LESS performance at every tier so far except 4090 which is just crazy price.

There's nothing worth upgrading to from a 3080 other than the 4090 but hardly anyone, including me, can afford that.

 

[Jiraiya]

Yeah, Nvidia still think GPU mining and the chip "shortage" pricing is a thing.
It is not.
They will learn when everybody buys AMD cards instead.

 

[fsdcx]

where is 7900xtx？