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Thank you for this. I have had the problem of a long list of force plugins before.
I've played around with the settings a bit and couldn't find a way to create a constant force. Only cycles. Would this be doable? I like to use forces for animating reactions so it's not pose-dependent like animating with controllers is.
I've played around with the settings a bit and couldn't find a way to create a constant force. Only cycles. Would this be doable? I like to use forces for animating reactions so it's not pose-dependent like animating with controllers is.
I’m having trouble understanding the difference between a constant force and a periodic force.
By ‘constant force,’ do you mean applying a single, one-off push rather than a repetitive motion, after which the body part returns to its original state?
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It seems like it's not possible to add the head or any other node twice. I'd like to have 2 different torque actions on the head on different axes with different periods. This makes motion look more random. I can do this with multiple instances of dub.force. Am I doing something wrong?
So I made it support multiple instances.
I was considering designing it so that a single plugin could control one body part across multiple axes, but I’ll look into applying that after testing and review.
To keep the UI clean, I’d considered adding options like X+Y+Z, X+Z, X+Y, and Y+Z in the axis selection slot.
But since there are also reverse directions like −Z, −Y, and −X, the number of combinations gets large.
I need to think more about stability verification and how to represent all those combinations.
For now, I’ll use the plugin as it is in the scene I’m making.
I’m not sure I’ll improve it, but if I do, it will come in a later update.
I was considering designing it so that a single plugin could control one body part across multiple axes, but I’ll look into applying that after testing and review.
To keep the UI clean, I’d considered adding options like X+Y+Z, X+Z, X+Y, and Y+Z in the axis selection slot.
But since there are also reverse directions like −Z, −Y, and −X, the number of combinations gets large.
I need to think more about stability verification and how to represent all those combinations.
For now, I’ll use the plugin as it is in the scene I’m making.
I’m not sure I’ll improve it, but if I do, it will come in a later update.
Almost. Yes a single push/torque that keeps being applied with the set amount of force until you turn it off or adjust the force factor. It's like being able to control the muscle tension directly.
It's something I've learned about through BodyLanguage. It has randomized "constant force" to create idle movements. But it can't be adjusted or triggered on command which I'd like to do.
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What I do is apply force, usually torque, to the same body part, on different axes, and with different periods. Summing two axes would give them the same period.
That happens when the axis vectors overlap. If you want the axes to move differently—for example, X-axis move → return → Y-axis move → return—you need to change how each axis operates. I know this because I’m testing it right now to see if it’s stable.
I’ve tried repeatedly, and for now I think it’s not possible.
To avoid vector overlap, you’d need a process that restores the part exactly to its original position.
However, since the mini engine isn’t allowed, the system crashes as soon as the script is applied.
Even if that issue were fixed, during the rollback phase—when the body part returns to its position—the opposing axis forces would interfere, causing calculation errors and collisions.
It might work under certain conditions, but in most cases, problems would arise.
As a fallback, you could remove the mini engine and instead let VaM’s own environment handle returning the body part to its controller position.
But that introduces another issue: the return speed varies depending on the spring and damper values, creating many possible cases.
Even if you proceed with this approach, you’d have to manually set the timing before moving on to the next axis, which is cumbersome.
And if the timing isn’t exact, vector overlap will occur again, causing repeated diagonal movements regardless of whether it’s fast or slow.
There’s a reason why all the cycle-force plugins so far have restricted motion to a single axis.
This was a dumb attempt that didn’t need any warning from anyone.
The outcome was so predictable that even a beginner like me could see the problems.
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OK, thanks for checking. When I do this, I usually have a pose preset that sets everybody in the right positions, then a toggle that starts/stops the action.
bqbq updated multi force manager with a new update entry:
It supports multiple axes
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It supports multiple axes
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I rebuilt the script by skeletonizing it, and it turned out the issue wasn’t with the mini engine but with the enum.
I fixed that, and now it supports multiple axes.
I also added a few extra features.
As for the return function, I found that dub original plugin already included something related—seems he was planning to add it in a future update.
If dub had continued his work, we might have seen a fully completed Force plugin by now.
bqbq updated multi force manager with a new update entry:
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It supports multiple axes
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Great idea! I've been hoping for a plugin like this. Thanks!It'd be even better if it could save settings—I'd love to switch between them in the animation instead of tweaking one by one.
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Preset save and load functionality has been added
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Preset save and load functionality has been added
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To make it activate each time the penis enters the vagina, you would need to set that up as a separate trigger. All of the functions are already listed in the receiver menu, so they can be easily controlled via external triggers.
I just updated it with preset save/load functionality. The resource should be approved soon.
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I used a lot of dub force plugins, so I love the concept of your manager. 
When I tried rebuilding some idle movement, I noticed a difference in the movement. You can see it in the video:
First, I turn on the old force plugin (settings on the right) which makes a subtle hip movement.
Then I turn that off and turn on your manager with the same settings as the other plugin.
The movement isn't as smooth as the other one. I think the settings are the same, but you can see and compare for yourself in the video. I scroll both down at the end to show the lower part.
Any idea what's going on here?
When I tried rebuilding some idle movement, I noticed a difference in the movement. You can see it in the video:
First, I turn on the old force plugin (settings on the right) which makes a subtle hip movement.
Then I turn that off and turn on your manager with the same settings as the other plugin.
The movement isn't as smooth as the other one. I think the settings are the same, but you can see and compare for yourself in the video. I scroll both down at the end to show the lower part.
Any idea what's going on here?
Thanks for letting me know about the problem.
I used a lot of dub force plugins, so I love the concept of your manager.
When I tried rebuilding some idle movement, I noticed a difference in the movement. You can see it in the video:
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First, I turn on the old force plugin (settings on the right) which makes a subtle hip movement.
Then I turn that off and turn on your manager with the same settings as the other plugin.
The movement isn't as smooth as the other one. I think the settings are the same, but you can see and compare for yourself in the video. I scroll both down at the end to show the lower part.
Any idea what's going on here?
Looking back, I realized there were some elements I intentionally changed compared to the original Force plugin. Especially the variance option — I redesigned it to simulate subtle trembling and to break up overly repetitive patterns. I wanted the force to fluctuate randomly within a safe range so the motion would feel more alive. Because of that, the behavior looks different from the original Force plugin.I used a lot of dub force plugins, so I love the concept of your manager.
When I tried rebuilding some idle movement, I noticed a difference in the movement. You can see it in the video:
View attachment 546970
First, I turn on the old force plugin (settings on the right) which makes a subtle hip movement.
Then I turn that off and turn on your manager with the same settings as the other plugin.
The movement isn't as smooth as the other one. I think the settings are the same, but you can see and compare for yourself in the video. I scroll both down at the end to show the lower part.
Any idea what's going on here?
That said, after watching your video, I noticed something I really wanted to improve: the Smooth option. Previously it only reduced the raw strength, which doesn’t actually make the motion feel smoother. So I changed the way it works.
The left side shows the original Force Manager plugin, and the right side shows the newly updated version.
bqbq updated multi force manager with a new update entry:
fix-v4
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fix-v4
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Thanks a lot for looking into it and for your explanation. Now it all makes sense.
The reworked smooth option looks promising on the stronger movement in your video. I will try with my subtle movements when your new version is online.
The reworked smooth option looks promising on the stronger movement in your video. I will try with my subtle movements when your new version is online.
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Thanks for your update.
I tried my subtle movements with your new version. It seems I can't get it to work smoothly. It’s only smooth when I set the variance to 0. With any variance, it isn’t. But you said you changed the randomizing part, so yes, it seems that makes the difference. Maybe I'll try to work around it with different settings to make idle movements, or I'll just stick with the old forces for that.
One other thing: To me, it seems as if changing “Force Duration” doesn’t do anything, no matter what kind of movement. Don’t know if that’s just me. 
Edit: I think I figured out the "Force Duration" now (it has to be shorter than "Period Ratio") and it works.
I tried my subtle movements with your new version. It seems I can't get it to work smoothly. It’s only smooth when I set the variance to 0. With any variance, it isn’t. But you said you changed the randomizing part, so yes, it seems that makes the difference. Maybe I'll try to work around it with different settings to make idle movements, or I'll just stick with the old forces for that.
Edit: I think I figured out the "Force Duration" now (it has to be shorter than "Period Ratio") and it works.
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That's because I replaced the original behavior with a variance feature meant to express small spasms. It's not really suited for soft, gentle motion, so in the next update it might be better to add separate sliders for randomizing force and rotation.Thanks for your update.
I tried my subtle movements with your new version. It seems I can't get it to work smoothly. It’s only smooth when I set the variance to 0. With any variance, it isn’t. But you said you changed the randomizing part, so yes, it seems that makes the difference. Maybe I'll try to work around it with different settings to make idle movements, or I'll just stick with the old forces for that.
One other thing: To me, it seems as if changing “Force Duration” doesn’t do anything, no matter what kind of movement. Don’t know if that’s just me.
Edit: I think I figured out the "Force Duration" now (it has to be shorter than "Period Ratio") and it works.
