Benchmark Result Discussion

[mmbr20]

Hello. I wanted to share some of my anecdotal findings that you should take with a grain of salt.

I was on a 14900KS paired with a 4090. I also overclocked my ram to 8200 c38. With this setup, I found HT disabled with ecores enabled performed best along with only pcores with HT enabled. HT enabled+ecores I observed a small performance hit.

I am now on a 9800X3D with per core PBO tuning paired with a 5090. I have also tuned my ram here, 2x48gb sticks at 6200 c28. On this setup, I noticed that I am able to push my resolution and MSAA further, but on heavy physics scenes, I am still always limited by the CPU.

I enjoy heavy LD scenes and I'll experience drops to 40 fps using the Quest 3. I assume its because something is being limited to a single thread similar to a game like Microsoft Flightsim. Am I safe in this assumption or could I be doing something more to improve my fps?

(I would post a benchmark result, but I can't get it complete)

 

[NameUsername]

That is what i expected. A 5090 won't do much more than a 4090 in VR with a bunch of things set up (normal amount of assets/plugins/etc.). Thanks for finally letting us all know who were wondering.

 

[Seraphim]

Hello. I wanted to share some of my anecdotal findings that you should take with a grain of salt.

I was on a 14900KS paired with a 4090. I also overclocked my ram to 8200 c38. With this setup, I found HT disabled with ecores enabled performed best along with only pcores with HT enabled. HT enabled+ecores I observed a small performance hit.

I am now on a 9800X3D with per core PBO tuning paired with a 5090. I have also tuned my ram here, 2x48gb sticks at 6200 c28. On this setup, I noticed that I am able to push my resolution and MSAA further, but on heavy physics scenes, I am still always limited by the CPU.

I enjoy heavy LD scenes and I'll experience drops to 40 fps using the Quest 3. I assume its because something is being limited to a single thread similar to a game like Microsoft Flightsim. Am I safe in this assumption or could I be doing something more to improve my fps?

(I would post a benchmark result, but I can't get it complete)

Use the cpu patch to bypass that bottleneck, and you 5090 will perform Much better. https://hub.virtamate.com/resources...to-30-faster-physics-up-to-60-more-fps.43427/

 

[Seraphim]

I just finish building my new PC, I guess it supposed to be a beast but... it seems like I'm missing something because 4K and 1080p are not too far away from each other.
No overclocking, no change of any settings on 3rd party software or hardware beside XMP enabled on Bios, everything is so new that I barely have the machine on for a day now.

I guess this could affect some "extra points" but I'm not 100% sure:
The uptime of the PC is already 4+ hours (I installed windows, drivers, softwares etc..) before I tried VAM's benchmark so it wasn't "chill" maybe without using the PC before I could earn some extra points, but oh well...


4K res:
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1080p res:
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See Above. But 285k gonna be tough on you.

 

[T_bob]

Could you show the performance of the 9800X3D and 5080 at 4K? Thanks.

Sorry not possible.

 

[henshin]

Is possible to make some summary of all these data? maybe some table (sadly because there are images is difficult to make with AI)
From what I see 4080 is about 220FPS and 5090 is like 250FPS?

 

[Yankees1550]

Anyone have a 9070xt to test yet?

 

[Case]

Anyone have a 9070xt to test yet?

Soon^TM

 

[ningjiagame]

Waited so long for a 9070XT result, since no one ever posted it, finally bought one myself 囧 (still, with 25% premium over MSRP...), upgrading from 3090, as an interim for future MSRP 5090.
Let's say, the REAL PERFORMANCE of VAM with 9070XT is definately AMAZING, about 33%-50% more FPS comparing to 3090, align with 3DMark scores, and other games like FF7Re.

But very strangely, despite the real performance boost, the CPU benchmark result are almost the same, sometimes even worse than my old 3090:
(9800x3d, 6000/c30, CPU Patch APPLIED)

【1080p】
9070XT:

3090:

【4K】
9070XT：

3090:

【VR】
9070XT：

3090：

Don't know what could have caused this.

Besides, AFMF seems not working, it says "afmf not compatible with the game's display mode".
Other hand, according to some Chinese VAM forum posts, some claims that Nvidia's smooth motion works for vam, even for VR (with cable link only, not virtual desktop streaming).
Anyone with 50series has tested Nvidia's smooth motion with VR? If it really works, it may finally be "the VR version of lossless scaling", and maybe a game changer.

First day, haven't tested everything that carefully yet, may dig further later.
FYI.

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【Update】：Found a FIX to the "afmf not compatible with the game's display mode" issue:

Fixing AMD AFMF【not compatible with the game's display mode】in VAM – Doubling Framerates, even in VR!

 

[Calvados]

Waited so long for a 9070XT result, since no one ever posted it, finally bought one myself 囧 (still, with 25% premium over MSRP...), upgrading from 3090, as an interim for future MSRP 5090.
Let's say, the REAL PERFORMANCE of VAM with 9070XT is definately AMAZING, about 33%-50% more FPS comparing to 3090, align with 3DMark scores, and other games like FF7Re.

But very strangely, despite the real performance boost, the CPU benchmark result are almost the same, sometimes even worse than my old 3090:
(9800x3d, 6000/c30, CPU Patch APPLIED)

【1080p】
9070XT:
View attachment 475660
3090:
View attachment 475672


【4K】
9070XT：
View attachment 475661
3090:
View attachment 475673

【VR】
9070XT only：
View attachment 475667

Don't know what could have caused this.

Besides, AFMF seems not working, it says "afmf not compatible with the game's display mode".
Other hand, according to some Chinese VAM forum posts, some claims that Nvidia's smooth motion works for vam, even for VR (with cable link only, not virtual desktop streaming).
Anyone with 50series has tested Nvidia's smooth motion with VR? If it really works, it may finally be "the VR version of lossless scaling", and maybe a game changer.

First day, haven't tested everything that carefully yet, may dig further later.
FYI.

Hi,According to AMD, only the logging function built into AMD Software can measure the correct frame rate, including intermediate frames generated by AFMF.

 

[ningjiagame]

Hi,According to AMD, only the logging function built into AMD Software can measure the correct frame rate, including intermediate frames generated by AFMF.

Thanks, I got that, my issue was that AMD software shows clearly that "afmf not compatible with the game's display mode" and definately not working.

And, I finally found a way to active AFMF 2.1 in VAM, with 9070XT:

---- by forcing VAM to run with 【DirectX11】!

(by adding "-dx11" in VaM (Desktop Mode).bat)

Also, it 【works in VR】!! （maybe only works with cable link PCVR headsets and won't work with WIFI streaming headsets / virtual desktops）
Managed to run threesome sceens at the max refresh rate of 90Hz (45Hz+AFMF) with my HP Reverb G2, at SteamVR resolution set to 100%.
(You may need to set both the physics rate in VAM and Radeon Chill refresh rate to half of max refresh rate of your head set to get correct animation speed)

Further, in most heavy sceens, you can even further turn on SteamVR motion smoothing, it works together with AFMF, so you can get 3~4 times more smooth animations (though obviously with poorer quality) , and have definately different VR experience!

Since my old 3090 only got 10~fps in most heavy sceens... I will definately say, the VR applicable AFMF is a game changer for me ---- again, finally "the VR version of lossless scaling".
(Don't know whether it works on 6000 series or earlier AMD cards. Nvidia 50series' smooth motion is also reported to work in VR, but I don't have one so cannot testify.)

FYI

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【Update】：Posted a HOW TO FIX post for the "afmf not compatible with the game's display mode" issue:
(along with other Troubleshootings)

Fixing AMD AFMF【not compatible with the game's display mode】in VAM – Doubling Framerates, even in VR!

 

[VAMSOY]

Here is a direct comparison between 4090 and 5090 @4K, everything else was kept the same, no OC at all.

Note that this is done on an older CPU (13900K), with a clean install of VAM. The improvement is larger than I expected since VAM doesn't take advantage of DLSS4.

 

[Wxy_332]

Here is a direct comparison between 4090 and 5090 @4K, everything else was kept the same, no OC at all.

Note that this is done on an older CPU (13900K), with a clean install of VAM. The improvement is larger than I expected since VAM doesn't take advantage of DLSS4.

View attachment 476768View attachment 476769

that's really useful, almost double the 4k performance.
How about the VR expericence, does it double also?

 

[Case]

Thanks, I got that, my issue was that AMD software shows clearly that "afmf not compatible with the game's display mode" and definately not working.

And, I finally found a way to active AFMF 2.1 in VAM, with 9070XT:

---- by forcing VAM to run with 【DirectX11】!

(by adding "-dx11" in VaM (Desktop Mode).bat)

Also, it 【works in VR】!! （maybe only works with cable link PCVR headsets and won't work with WIFI streaming headsets / virtual desktops）
Managed to run threesome sceens at the max refresh rate of 90Hz (45Hz+AFMF) with my HP Reverb G2, at SteamVR resolution set to 100%.
(You may need to set both the physics rate in VAM and Radeon Chill refresh rate to half of max refresh rate of your head set to get correct animation speed)

Further, in most heavy sceens, you can even further turn on SteamVR motion smoothing, it works together with AFMF, so you can get 3~4 times more smooth animations (though obviously with poorer quality) , and have definately different VR experience!

Since my old 3090 only got 10~fps in most heavy sceens... I will definately say, the VR applicable AFMF is a game changer for me ---- again, finally "the VR version of lossless scaling".
(Don't know whether it works on 6000 series or earlier AMD cards. Nvidia 50series' smooth motion is also reported to work in VR, but I don't have one so cannot testify.)

FYI

Hmmmmmh ... that's really interesting, thanks for pointing this out. Maybe time for a tutorial post? I don't think I've seen this mentioned anywhere else on the Hub.

 

[Seraphim]

that's really useful, almost double the 4k performance.
How about the VR expericence, does it double also?

Thats +62%. But yes typical in vam vr is 40-60%. Getting +53% in this bench.

 

[JustADude]

Got a 5090 so here are my results. I moved from a 4080 super previously which was good, but left some to be desired and wasn't allowing me to run Voxta well with Vam. I've been able to max out everything, but FPS in scenes so far hasn't been mind blowing (needs more testing). Curious what others are seeing as my 5090 barely runs at 40% most of the time.

I tried a few things for each of them I did the OSW disable, turned off in Steam, and turned off VD ASW. confirmed i was seeing 130-150fps in a scene.

ALERT: Just an FYI as I was an idiot and you might be too. I ran 3dMark and got a depressing score originally. Looked online and someone mentioned doing a clean install of drivers even though I had latest. Figured wth and saw a 25% increase in score and was over average without any overclocking or anything. So definitely do this. was in the high 11k range and went up to almost 15k. 3dmark demo.

First, VirtualDesktop ran directly in VD no steam. not sure why it says rift, but on Quest 3.

Then I tried my oculus script -vrmode oculus which launched steam.

Then I ran the default -vrmode openvr which ran steam.

Also ran a desktop at 1440p.

 

[dogesnvd]

motherboard MSI Z790-P D5,
M.2 WD BLACK SN770 2T,
DRAM 32GB DDR5 6400 C32*2
13600KF+4090, 4k desktop NO CPU Performance Patch .and no OC,

13600KF+4090 4k desktop with CPU Performance Patch No cores or hyperthreading turned off.and no OC

so min1% is a little improve.This is more noticeable in high-stress environments and VR.Movement is smoother.

13600KF+5090D/5090 (Theoretically there is no difference in performance） desktop with CPU Performance Patch No cores or hyperthreading turned off.and no OC ,Same test environment as RTX4090

AVG FPS improved 56.8%, min1% improved 60.1%, max1% improved 80.7%.

13600KF+4090 VR with CPU Performance Patch No cores or hyperthreading turned off.and no OC

13600KF+5090D/5090 (Theoretically there is no difference in performance） VR with CPU Performance Patch No cores or hyperthreading turned off.and no OC ,Same test environment as RTX4090

AVG FPS improved 58.6%, min1% improved 49.3%, max1% improved 46.6%.

If you have the same doubts as me about the improvement of 5090/5090D.
You can refer to my results. I think upgrading to 9800X3D or 9950X3D will get better frame rate performance and min1% low.
For complex physical calculations, such as the two-person MMD dance scene, 13600KF is not enough to support sufficient physical calculation frames.

 

[MacGruber]

Benchmark v5 has been released:

Changelog

• Scene integrity checks could freeze, if there was faulty data injected in the scene JSON by certain session/scene plugins. This was for example the case with FocusOnMe by @CheesyFX. Now we are showing an appropriate message, telling you to remove all session plugins and run the original unmodified the scene.
• Replacing Unity's OpenURL function with the new VaM version...as otherwise Hub didn't let me upload anymore.
• Since I had to wait for the benchmark to run multiple times to ensure everything is working....now there is a new nicer resource image

Notes

• Results from v3 and v4 should be comparable to v5. There were no performance relevant changes.

Benchmark - Plugins + Scripts -

Measure VaM performance of your PC in a reliable way. Compare with others to make hardware upgrade decisions. Why? What is this? As a side project, I was looking at PC components for upgrading my old machine. That made me browse through various...

hub.virtamate.com

Tagging some people to tell them that there is a "Save Results" button which takes a perfectly cropped screenshot of the results for you! No need to make your own screenshots...because that would always have some distortion. Especially in VR. Files end up in folder /Saves/PluginData/Benchmark/
@dogesnvd @ningjiagame @HiddenSign @cbkstudios @GenericUsername1 @bbaoni

 

[ningjiagame]

Further to my previous AMD 9070XT test post:

https://hub.virtamate.com/threads/benchmark-result-discussion.13131/post-194843

I made some more diggings and got some interesting findings:

1, the Benchmark results of 9070XT were MUCH WORSE than REAL VAM Performance

• 【EDITED】Actually, 9070XT performs amazingly well in VAM ---- (All in 4K) In solo character MMD scenes, it’s almost 70% faster than my old 3090 (almost near the mighty 4090 which outperforms 3090 by about 70% in AAA games). Dual characters scenes run about 66% faster, and three characters scenes about 50% faster. It can fully utilize my HP Reverb G2 at 90Hz(@ about 6000x3000 res, may need to turn down MSAA level though)
• 【Did some more precise tests】The 9070XT brings a pretty well uplift from my old 3090, of 20%~55% with maximun pixel lights (Heavily depends on the Scene and may differ a lot),
• But in Benchmark results, there are almost NO Improvements compared to my old 3090, sometimes even WORSE...
• (Platform: 9800X3d, 64GB 6000/c30, clean install, with CPU Patch v13)

---- Maybe it's because the benchmark uses strong pixel lights which ordinary scenes do not, and 9070XT is relatively weaker in handling rays / lightings / reflections, compared to Nvidia GPUs? (by turning down pixel counts, 9070XT will ourperform the 3090 much more in some scenes)
---- Or maybe, 9070XT is bottlenecked by its DDR6 VRAMs? Don't know the answer.

Previously, I often heard that "AMD may be GOOD in TESTs but BAD in REAL GAMES", but in the case VAM, it seems to be the opposite.
Maybe in the end, AMD GPUs and Nvidia GPUs still do have their own strength and weakness.

（Settings: 4K res, MSAA 4X, Physics Rate 60）

2, AMD's AFMF2.1 WORKS with VAM, and even in VR Mode! ---- Doubling framerates!
---- Actually, at first it didn't work, and the overlay shows "AFMF not compatible with the game's display mode"
---- Costed me tons of time struggling to find a fix ---- already posted the fix here:

Fixing AMD AFMF【not compatible with the game's display mode】in VAM – Doubling Framerates, even in VR!

At last, for me, AFMF may just be the “finally to come fluid motion enhancer” that works in VR — awesome for those of us using mid-range GPUs in demanding VR scenes.
(Some other users also reported Nvidia 50-series' Smooth Motion feature works in VAM VR too, but only works with DP/cable-linked VR headsets just like AFMF. Worth testing if you have one!)

FYI

 

[acctestx1]

Further to my previous AMD 9070XT test post:


I made some more diggings and got some interesting findings:

1, the Benchmark results of 9070XT were MUCH WORSE than REAL VAM Performance

• Actually, 9070XT performs amazingly well in VAM ---- (All in 4K) In solo character MMD scenes, it’s almost 70% faster than my old 3090 (almost near the mighty 4090 which outperforms 3090 by about 70% in AAA games). Dual characters scenes run about 66% faster, and three characters scenes about 50% faster. It can fully utilize my HP Reverb G2 at 90Hz(@ about 6000x3000 res, may need to turn down MSAA level though)
• But in Benchmark results, there are almost NO Improvements compared to my old 3090, sometimes even WORSE...
• (Platform: 9800X3d, 64GB 6000/c30, clean install, with CPU Patch v13)

---- Maybe it's because the benchmark uses strong pixel lights which ordinary scenes do not, and 9070XT is relatively weaker in handling rays / lightings / reflections, compared to Nvidia GPUs?
---- Or maybe, 9070XT is bottlenecked by its DDR6 VRAMs? Don't know the answer.

Previously, I often heard that "AMD may be GOOD in TESTs but BAD in REAL GAMES", but in the case VAM, it seems to be the opposite.
Very interesting, and very happy to have bought a 9070XT.

View attachment 478649

2, AMD's AFMF2.1 WORKS with VAM, and even in VR Mode! ---- Doubling framerates!
---- Actually, at first it didn't work, and the overlay shows "AFMF not compatible with the game's display mode"
---- Costed me tons of time struggling to find a fix ---- already posted the fix here:


At last, for me, AFMF may just be the “finally to come fluid motion enhancer” that works in VR — awesome for those of us using mid-range GPUs in demanding VR scenes.
(Some other users also reported Nvidia 50-series' Smooth Motion feature works in VAM VR too, but only works with DP/cable-linked VR headsets just like AFMF. Worth testing if you have one!)

FYI

Questions: The real performance results are with or without AFMF? And does AFMF work with Virtual Desktop wirelessly using your fix?

 

[ningjiagame]

Questions: The real performance results are with or without AFMF? And does AFMF work with Virtual Desktop wirelessly using your fix?

Did some more precise tests, and EDITed the previous post. Please refer to the new results.
The real performance results are without AFMF.
I only have a cable link VR headset, so cannot test wireless Virtual Desktop headsets. But I have seen several posts in other forums reports that neither AMD AFMF nor Nvidia smooth motion works with wireless VD headsets ---- the generated frames may be applied to the Virtual Desktop window, not the actual VR headset.

 

[dogesnvd]

Some other users also reported Nvidia 50-series' Smooth Motion feature works in VAM VR too

No, I can tell you that's not true, I tried it and it was terrible.When the CPU is working at full capacity, the FPS will drop even more, dropping by more than 10FPS.from 60+ to 40+.so not recommend to open it.
Then I found another app to enable FSR and NVIDIA NIS functions, and add foveated rendering，openvr_fsr_app, on github. https://github.com/tappi287/openvr_fsr_app
steamvr set 150%Rendering scale，virtualdesk on godlike, openvr fsr app set 90% render scale and 70% sharp, with NIS,I got a picture quality that is almost the same as the original quality, and got an extra 20+FPS, and it works in VR. I use VD, and in theory it should also work in PCVR,If it is an Nvidia graphics card, I recommend choosing NIS. The FSR model seems to be an old model and the screen will flicker.

 

[AshArm]

9800x3d pbo200 + 5080

9800x3d pbo200
5080 core+350 memory+1000

 

[vamp3003]

Looking at moving from 7800x3d/4080 Super to something like one of 9800/9900/9950x3d and a 5090 but a little undecided on the CPU side on which to go for (which would actually improve the numbers for VAM the most?)
Curious to see if anyone has a performed a similar upgrade and what the increases were, hoping a lot better performance with VR (quest 3 with VD)

 

[Seraphim]

Looking at moving from 7800x3d/4080 Super to something like one of 9800/9900/9950x3d and a 5090 but a little undecided on the CPU side on which to go for (which would actually improve the numbers for VAM the most?)
Curious to see if anyone has a performed a similar upgrade and what the increases were, hoping a lot better performance with VR (quest 3 with VD)

Not much difference from 7800x3d to 9800x3d. Just upgrade to 5090 for 50% increase and wait on cpu.