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Realistic Foreskin & Erection Simulation

Plugins + Scripts Realistic Foreskin & Erection Simulation

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Oh wow....a good discussion started here!

Am I understand you correctly: there's no way to use BL on female and RFE on straight male (in terms of atom type) and I need to mimick altfuta female to a male to get these plugins to work? And that will work great only in BL v72...?

Maybe I'm wrong? If so, please rate my set-up. My scene contains:
Female atom: BL, ShakeIt, Naturalis, VAMMoan 2, SexyFluids
Male atom: VAMMoan (which was added manually, btw), RFE, SexyFluids, Embody
Scene: FocusOnMe
Session: LightMeUp and so on
So my biggest issue right now: It seems that BL's magnet works improperly while I even don't turn on DiviningRod in RFE. In FillMeUp's Vagina → Forces I always see "Driver" = "None", but penetration is happening. Strange things. Maybe SexyFluids or another component is competing with FillMeUp?

Hypothetically - what you're describing is exactly how BL is designed to work, as far as I know. Put it on a female, it drives thrusting from both atoms, aligns everything, runs female stim cycle with all the trimmings (voice, aheago, etc) and provides basic male 'load' and orgasm. Alt-futas don't need to be involved in that scenario at all, it should work perfectly fine. Your male's stim and orgasm won't sync to his VAMMoan though - he'll essentially have two stim cycles running for him, the one controlled by BL on the female, and the one controlled by his own VAMMoan. He'd cum twice at different times. So you'd have to pick one of two options - first would be to disable BL's male system entirely by unchecking everything and setting Stim Gain to 0, and use VAMMoan/REF to run everything independently on the male. Second would be to use the 'on male orgasm' trigger from BL to manually trigger orgasm in either REF, VAMMoan, or SexyFluids on the male (in whatever order/combo makes sense). But he won't moan in increasing intensity with the second setup, he'll just orgasm when BL triggers it. Thrusting and female stim/orgasm should work fine in both though.

However, If BL isn't recognizing the male atom's penis at all, I would disable REF altogether, give him an erection using simple morphs, and try that. If it works, it's a conflict with something on your male - either REF or something else. Try a bone-stock default male character - apparently certain skins can sometimes cause a gender detection issue, no idea why but I read that somewhere recently. Add the plugins back one at a time and see which one breaks it. You can also go into the Debug tab in FillMeUp and hit 'print registered penetrators' - that should show you if BL is even recognizing the male's penis in the blue message log in VAM (it certainly should). If REF is causing BL to not register the penis, that's a question for CheesyFX or our dear RunRudolph here. That's above my pay grade in terms of backend code stuff haha.
 
Throbbing seems to stop after a while, not sure if it's supposed to.
Could you please check when it stops? I found that it stops after orgasm while getting flaccid, but it will kick in if you raise the erection level again. So this seems OK to me?
 
Hypothetically - what you're describing is exactly how BL is designed to work, as far as I know. Put it on a female, it drives thrusting from both atoms, aligns everything, runs female stim cycle with all the trimmings (voice, aheago, etc) and provides basic male 'load' and orgasm. Alt-futas don't need to be involved in that scenario at all, it should work perfectly fine. Your male's stim and orgasm won't sync to his VAMMoan though - he'll essentially have two stim cycles running for him, the one controlled by BL on the female, and the one controlled by his own VAMMoan. He'd cum twice at different times. So you'd have to pick one of two options - first would be to disable BL's male system entirely by unchecking everything and setting Stim Gain to 0, and use VAMMoan/REF to run everything independently on the male. Second would be to use the 'on male orgasm' trigger from BL to manually trigger orgasm in either REF, VAMMoan, or SexyFluids on the male (in whatever order/combo makes sense). But he won't moan in increasing intensity with the second setup, he'll just orgasm when BL triggers it. Thrusting and female stim/orgasm should work fine in both though.

However, If BL isn't recognizing the male atom's penis at all, I would disable REF altogether, give him an erection using simple morphs, and try that. If it works, it's a conflict with something on your male - either REF or something else. Try a bone-stock default male character - apparently certain skins can sometimes cause a gender detection issue, no idea why but I read that somewhere recently. Add the plugins back one at a time and see which one breaks it. You can also go into the Debug tab in FillMeUp and hit 'print registered penetrators' - that should show you if BL is even recognizing the male's penis in the blue message log in VAM (it certainly should). If REF is causing BL to not register the penis, that's a question for CheesyFX or our dear RunRudolph here. That's above my pay grade in terms of backend code stuff haha.
If the male penis is not recognised, it can also be because you switched back from an alt futa to a male (skin). This does not work, some essential penis colliders are not restored.
 
Cool, I will see what can be achieved. It will certainly take a while, but all of it seems very reasonable and doable. I would probably use one overall (triggerable) intensity slider for this, I do not like plugins with 100s of sliders for every detail.

I think I could use a few (randomised) pre-defined orgasm expression morphs, e.g. some of VamEssential (https://hub.virtamate.com/resources/orgasm-morphs.49014/). These are CC-BY and usable on both males and females. Or should I rather use built-in ones like concentrated, angry etc. to avoid dependencies? Do you have good ones you know of?

You're a rockstar, friend. Personally, I'd go with AshAuryn's Sexpressions packs (https://hub.virtamate.com/resources/ashauryns-sexpressions-174-morphs-legacy.1177/) if at all possible. They're technically female morphs, but afaik just checking 'use female morphs on male' solves that, and they're CC-BY and used by TONS of scenes (1400 registered dependent scenes with over 1m downloads). Reason being - they include 'eyes only' morphs that don't affect the mouth. The built-in orgasm morphs and the VamEssential ones all tend to open the mouth pretty wide, which can cause issues with VAMMoan lipsync, resulting in some crazy 'unhinged snake jaw' situations, haha. Plus, the AshAuryn ones just look amazing, and work really well when used subtly. If at all possible, I think the best course would be to just let the user pick their own active morph(s) from a dropdown. No idea how complex that is to do, but it'd give people the freedom to use whatever one(s) they like best.

I think one intensity slider should be fine, so long as you can toggle each feature. I'll do a quick mockup of how I'd envision the gui page to look, just for fun.
 
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