Vagina fluttering, Penis slipping out or away

[Ghostwalden]

Hi there...

Maybe some more experienced animation experts out there can help me out...

What can i do against that vagina fluttering in the first video
This happens on so many poses i tried.

And what can i do, that the dick does not always slip away or come out? (secod video)

All i can say, it's a fucking pain to work like this...
It takes me forever for one animation to set the pose so that it fits somewhat.

It would be great, if someone could help me out and make my life a bit easier

 

[SlimerJSpud]

Try turning off glute soft physics on the female. There is a slight change to the way the labia will look that's less realistic, but it can often cure things like this. There's also a collider editor preset that helps with large cock issues, but that also requires glute physics off.

 

[Ghostwalden]

Try turning off glute soft physics on the female. There is a slight change to the way the labia will look that's less realistic, but it can often cure things like this. There's also a collider editor preset that helps with large cock issues, but that also requires glute physics off.

Hi Slimer

Yes.. i tried to turn of soft pysics...
It helps, but as you already sait, labia looks less realistic...
I don't want to miss soft physic realism.

I also loaded the collider editor, but didn't notice any difference.

I alredy thought, that it might have something to do, that the cock is to big.

Hmmm... the fluttering is more disturbing in a resting position...
In action one does not notice it that much...

More problematic is that the cock a lot of the time does not fit in correctli or slip out.
No idea, if there's something one can do about it, or if the cock really has to have the
right angle and direction that it works.

 

[SlimerJSpud]

Alignment is important. There's only so much the physics can do if there's alignment issues. Try turning collision off on her and setting the starting pose to be better aligned. Thrust angle is also important. Collider editor doesn't do much when you load it. You either have to make your own adjustments, or use a preset. The presets I know about (MIF and ATW) require physics off, but they make it a lot easier to use the big ones.

 

[Ghostwalden]

Yes... Alignment...
Sometimes a pain to get it right

I always turn collision off on her or him, then set the position as it shoud be, then turn collision on again and see if it works.
But sadly often it don't, even if the alignment and position seems right.

Ok... i haven't done much with the collider editor yet... just loaded it to the plugins.
But seems i have to figure out first, how to handle it.

 

[SlimerJSpud]

Collider editor is like the control panel of a nuclear reactor. Turn the wrong dial, and KABOOM!

 

[Ghostwalden]

Collider editor is like the control panel of a nuclear reactor. Turn the wrong dial, and KABOOM!

Uuuhhh... that doesn't sound good

Just downloaded some presents...
we'll see

 

[yasparukko]

Most likely you are using base mid or tip penis controls for alignment, try to switch them off, and remove any penis aligning plugins if you use any.
Align penis using whole character, keep base mid or tip penis controls off, and try to use hip control for thrusting

 

[Ghostwalden]

Most likely you are using base mid or tip penis controls for alignment, try to switch them off, and remove any penis aligning plugins if you use any.
Align penis using whole character, keep base mid or tip penis controls off, and try to use hip control for thrusting

Hi yasparukko

I now turned off base, mid, and tip of the penis.
Only work with the hip.
But the problem remains...

In this Video i turn around the view first to show, that the alignment of the penis seems really ok.
Then turning collision on and off to see what happens.

There is also no Collision Editor enabled.

In this video, everything is the same, as in the video above,
but i enabled the collidor editor with the preset from DTB247

Requested Collider Editor Preset - Other -

Demo of custom collider preset to accept Large Package. Dependancies : Acid Bubbles https://hub.virtamate.com/resources/collider-editor.183/ Collider Editor Plugin. Ram21 https://hub.virtamate.com/resources/mikaela.5446/ Mikaela Appearance...

hub.virtamate.com

What can i say...
Whatever I do, it's just a fucking mess...

The only thing that helps is to turn off soft physics on the woman,
but the result is not satisfying then, because it doesn't look realistic.

So i guess I'll give it up with creating Animation...
It's just a pain to work like that and leads to nowhere

 

[yasparukko]

I guess the penis is just too big

 

[Ghostwalden]

I guess the penis is just too big

It gets a bit better, when the penis is smaller, bit it is still exhausting...

He slips out again sometimes, and goes in only hardly in the vagina.
The anus goes easyer... don't know why that is...

Into the pussy, the penis bends a lot of the time or is sticky and goes not well in and out.
Is there any possibility to remain the penis stiff, so he can not bend?

 

[Zeeko]

In user preferences Performance turn off High quality physics .

 

[yasparukko]

Is there any possibility to remain the penis stiff, so he can not bend?

Yes, you need to go to physics of penisBaseControl, penisMidControl, penisTipControl and increase "Joint Drive Spring" for each of them to make it stiff

 

[entitycs]

Can you re-post a video, but with the "Debug Joints" enabled for the female character?

Two things stand out to me, since you said the backdoor colliders have less of a negative effect.

1. Backdoor colliders have fewer colliders around them to collide with.
2. Backdoor colliders seem to have smaller joint drive values.

I haven't entered the realm of needing the collision editor. Does it not have an option for lowering the drive for the specific colliders as seen via the "Debug Joints" view?

 

[SlimerJSpud]

I typically have the penis joints set to position, rotation off, except that I keep the base rotation set to on. That helps with alignment.

 

[Ghostwalden]

I typically have the penis joints set to position, rotation off, except that I keep the base rotation set to on. That helps with alignment.

Ok... rotation off on penis joints make a mess...
totally crooked sausage

But lock the rotation of the penis joints helps

 

[entitycs]

Ok... rotation off on penis joints make a mess...
totally crooked sausage

But lock the rotation of the penis joints helps

For controller physics in general, if locked is too rigid, Rotational Damper should be at least half the value of the Rotational Spring. I mean, unless Superman needs to fling someone into space w/ his member, most of those physics values can be set a lot lower than they are by default.

 

[Ghostwalden]

For controller physics in general, if locked is too rigid, Rotational Damper should be at least half the value of the Rotational Spring. I mean, unless Superman needs to fling someone into space w/ his member, most of those physics values can be set a lot lower than they are by default.

Thanks for the info... good to know...

I just thought for a second, that locking penis joints helps...
But It doesn't really...

So... I really don't have a clue on how to fix that dick slipping out problem...

 

[Toonen1988]

I could be wrong but I don't think it's the genitals nor the glutes.

What I see is that the legs are colliding with eachother even in such a way that they are even clipping in eachother. It causes this behaviour, can you turn all the collision settings to normal and on, and drag the guy out and back in without the legs colliding with eachother or drag the leg of the female a little bit wider, so it doesnt collide nor clip with the males leg. They are literally clipping in eachother.

 

[Ghostwalden]

I could be wrong but I don't think it's the genitals nor the glutes.

What I see is that the legs are colliding with eachother even in such a way that they are even clipping in eachother. It causes this behaviour, can you turn all the collision settings to normal and on, and drag the guy out and back in without the legs colliding with eachother or drag the leg of the female a little bit wider, so it doesnt collide nor clip with the males leg. They are literally clipping in eachother.

Hi Toonen 1988 and thanks for your reply...

I see, in the first Video the legs are colliding with eachother,
but in the last Video there are no legs colliding and the problem is the same.
But sure, it certainly can have an influence on that.
Will have an eye on that in the future.
I could fix it somewhat with a lot of trying around and ajusting penis and other targets

How do i turn all the collision settings to normal?

 

[Toonen1988]

Hi Toonen 1988 and thanks for your reply...

I see, in the first Video the legs are colliding with eachother,
but in the last Video there are no legs colliding and the problem is the same.
But sure, it certainly can have an influence on that.
Will have an eye on that in the future.
I could fix it somewhat with a lot of trying around and ajusting penis and other targets

How do i turn all the collision settings to normal?

Well, I read in the topic that you have been experimenting with the physics. Best is to turn everyting back to default, and reset the physics and start all over again. I do have a strong feeling that the legs colliding with eachother created this issue. And since you have been experimenting with different settings, that it now created a other problem.

Sometimes restarting VaM will also do the trick after some physics issue's. Reverse everything that you did, drag the characters from eachother, go to control & physics 1 and click on physics explosion recovery. This will also reset the poses and animations and try again.

Best is to save a extra file just to be sure, not to lose any poses when this doesn't work.

 

[Ghostwalden]

Well, I read in the topic that you have been experimenting with the physics. Best is to turn everyting back to default, and reset the physics and start all over again. I do have a strong feeling that the legs colliding with eachother created this issue. And since you have been experimenting with different settings, that it now created a other problem.

Ah... I have just disabled soft physics, but that was no satisfying result, so I set it back.
And tried settings in User Preferences for Soft Body Physics, but turned them all back as they were before.

Sometimes restarting VaM will also do the trick after some physics issue's. Reverse everything that you did, drag the characters from eachother, go to control & physics 1 and click on physics explosion recovery. This will also reset the poses and animations and try again.

Best is to save a extra file just to be sure, not to lose any poses when this doesn't work.

I have now saved the poses, then did a physics explosion recovery for male and female.
Computer and VAM have been restarted as well before.
Then i loaded the poses again, but the dick slips out again.
I also made sure, that other Female and Male Bodyparts do not collide with each other.

 

[murn]

I have seen scenes where the creator doesn't even use the collider editor and they don't seem to have any issues with insertion. One creator was Luther Slade. I think he left the hub but I did have a scene from him I was checking to see how his colliders had been done and. I think xoxo have big dick scenes but they aren't on the hub anymore so can't check to see how theirs are done. I saw a post where ascorad said it's best to use the morph "massive" instead of those big morphs with soft physics for the glutes off. I'll look for it and post it here.

 

[oiad462]

I've seen this a couple of times now... I think the colliders or bones are fucked up. I tested them once or twice to see if anything changed, but they would still have the same problem.

https://hub.virtamate.com/resources/robin.42199/
^the one on the right... If it's the same problem. It's like the pelvic bone has shifted. I think there's an add-on called morph and split(?) that can be used to reskin a working model with the broken one.

I'm just guessing based on what I observed though... The fact that they remained in a broken state whether the package is replaced and in a different install.

 

[Ghostwalden]

I have seen scenes where the creator doesn't even use the collider editor and they don't seem to have any issues with insertion. One creator was Luther Slade. I think he left the hub but I did have a scene from him I was checking to see how his colliders had been done and. I think xoxo have big dick scenes but they aren't on the hub anymore so can't check to see how theirs are done.

Would for sure be interesting to see, how others get rid of that problem.

I saw a post where ascorad said it's best to use the morph "massive" instead of those big morphs with soft physics for the glutes off. I'll look for it and post it here.

Will try that morph in the future instead and see if i become better results.