VaM 1.x Is this a good PC for VAM VR? (asking before buying...)

[henshin]

I've found this PC (used, I'm not sure if I can afford a new one):

CPU: intel i9 13900K
GPU: RTX 4090 (asus rog)
RAM: 64GB 6400Mhz
Mother: Asus rog z790E

It's $4600, and it's a lot for me so I want to be sure is a good decision.
I was reading a lot of pages from the benchmarks thread: https://hub.virtamate.com/threads/benchmark-result-discussion.13131/page-50
I know is a good hardware, but I have some questions:

CPU: this is my biggest concern, is that good? it seems a bit old, and apparently AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D is better for VAM, but how big could be the difference? (also 13 and 14th gen in Intel were having problems?)

GPU: I know 4090 is very good, but some benchmarks are showing 5090 is 50% faster? and 5080 is almost equal to 4090 (but half the price)?

Any recommendations are more than welcome

Thanks !!

 

[Zeeko]

I've found this PC (used, I'm not sure if I can afford a new one):

CPU: intel i9 13900K
GPU: RTX 4090 (asus rog)
RAM: 64GB 6400Mhz
Mother: Asus rog z790E

It's $4600, and it's a lot for me so I want to be sure is a good decision.
I was reading a lot of pages from the benchmarks thread: https://hub.virtamate.com/threads/benchmark-result-discussion.13131/page-50
I know is a good hardware, but I have some questions:

CPU: this is my biggest concern, is that good? it seems a bit old, and apparently AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D is better for VAM, but how big could be the difference? (also 13 and 14th gen in Intel were having problems?)

GPU: I know 4090 is very good, but some benchmarks are showing 5090 is 50% faster? and 5080 is almost equal to 4090 (but half the price)?

Any recommendations are more than welcome

Thanks !!

For that money you can get even better build and new one

 

[atani]

Damn, that's a shit ton of money. Is that to be used mainly for VAM?
The question is, what's your current computer like? What you're paying for is the difference in results.
Be wary about general statements like "50% faster". It's 50% faster in what and under what conditions? Are those relevant for your typical use? Will this reflect in anything worthwhile for the extra cost?

 

[CV42]

CPU: intel i9 13900K
GPU: RTX 4090 (asus rog)
RAM: 64GB 6400Mhz
Mother: Asus rog z790E

It's $4600, and it's a lot for me so I want to be sure is a good decision.

Imo that is too expensive for a used system without any warranty. Refurbished 4090 are ~2400$, new ones are ~2800$.

If you can't shit money, i would consider buying one tier lower (~1000$ less for the GPU alone). 4090 has a lot of power but when i look at the benchmark results, most people can't transfer that into actual FPS in VR (at least not as much as i would expect).

E.g. AMD's 9600X/9700X is like 200-300$ and has a similiar singlecore performance. There are other alternatives around.

You could get a new PC with similiar performance for way less than 4600$. More like ~2000$ (1400 GPU, 250 CPU, 100 Mobo, 100 Psu +misc) and a warranty.

Edit: Don't get blinded by CPU core count if you are not a workstation guy with specific needs. 6-8 good cores (Intel: perf. cores, e.cores don't count) is enough.

 

[henshin]

For that money you can get even better build and new one

Can you suggest one build for that money? I've searched in Amazon every component and it's near that price.
The exact details are:

Intel i9 13900K
Asus ROG STRIX Geforce RTX 4090 OC 24GB
Asus rog strix z790E Gaming
Ram G.SKILL Trident Z5 64GB 6400Mhz
NVME Samsung 990 Pro M.2 2TB
Corsair AX1600i 80+ Titanium
Cooler Lian Li UNI SL FAN
NZXT Kraken Z73 360 AIO
Lian Li 011 Air mini

And a they are offering me a new one with this (AMD and 5090):

CPU AMD RYZEN 9 9900X3D
GPU 32GB RTX 5090 MSI GAMING TRIO OC 32GB DDR7
MB ASUS AM5 ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI DDR5 BOX
DDR5 64GB KINGSTON 6400MHZ FURY BEAST BLACK RGB 32x2
SSD M.2 NVME 2TB G4 KINGSTON FURY
XPG BATTLECRUSIER IIST NEGRO FAN ARGB X4
CPU COOLER GAMEMAX WATER ICECHILL 360 ARGB
1050W GAMEMAX 80 PLUS PLATINUM GX-1050 PRO

$5600

 

[henshin]

Damn, that's a shit ton of money. Is that to be used mainly for VAM?
The question is, what's your current computer like? What you're paying for is the difference in results.
Be wary about general statements like "50% faster". It's 50% faster in what and under what conditions? Are those relevant for your typical use? Will this reflect in anything worthwhile for the extra cost?

Right now I'm using a gaming laptop, msi with 4070, in VR it works but sometimes it crashes and FPS are low (also it takes like 2min to start, and opening a scene or chaning a look is slow too).
And I think maybe some lips deformations are because the CPU is not enough to calculate all the physics?
Maybe AMD Ryzen 9 9900X3D with RTX 5080 is enough?

 

[henshin]

Imo that is too expensive for a used system without any warranty. Refurbished 4090 are ~2400$, new ones are ~2800$.

If you can't shit money, i would consider buying one tier lower (~1000$ less for the GPU alone). 4090 has a lot of power but when i look at the benchmark results, most people can't transfer that into actual FPS in VR (at least not as much as i would expect).

E.g. AMD's 9600X/9700X is like 200-300$ and has a similiar singlecore performance. There are other alternatives around.

You could get a new PC with similiar performance for way less than 4600$. More like ~2000$ (1400 GPU, 250 CPU, 100 Mobo, 100 Psu +misc) and a warranty.

Edit: Don't get blinded by CPU core count if you are not a workstation guy with specific needs. 6-8 good cores (Intel: perf. cores, e.cores don't count) is enough.

I think the are not making too much difference in the price, is not better to go for a X3D version? with more cache? I thought that was really important for VAM.
And that's why many people says it's better AMD (Intel does not a CPU with big cache)

The big difference is the GPU price:
5090 $3300
4090 $3000
5080 $1500

Would be nice 4090 and 5090 to play with AI models too, but my priority is to have fluid and faster scenes in VAM, so if 5080 is enough I could go for that

 

[AshAuryn]

I've found this PC (used, I'm not sure if I can afford a new one):

CPU: intel i9 13900K
GPU: RTX 4090 (asus rog)
RAM: 64GB 6400Mhz
Mother: Asus rog z790E

It's $4600, and it's a lot for me so I want to be sure is a good decision.
I was reading a lot of pages from the benchmarks thread: https://hub.virtamate.com/threads/benchmark-result-discussion.13131/page-50
I know is a good hardware, but I have some questions:

CPU: this is my biggest concern, is that good? it seems a bit old, and apparently AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D is better for VAM, but how big could be the difference? (also 13 and 14th gen in Intel were having problems?)

GPU: I know 4090 is very good, but some benchmarks are showing 5090 is 50% faster? and 5080 is almost equal to 4090 (but half the price)?

Any recommendations are more than welcome

Thanks !!

This is almost identical to my system which I built in 2023. I also feel like the price is too high. Look at some of these, filter by price $3k to >$4k : https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/category/gaming-pcs/

That reminds me, I installed a game yesterday that popped up a notice telling me I needed to upgrade my BIOS to fix potential processor problems.

 

[AshAuryn]

To be fair, I got my Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING OC back in 11/2023 for $1779 US. Looks like a 5090 is about $1000 more. But the point still stands you could probably get something brand new (or build something brand new) for that price you quoted.

 

[AngelofChris]

I've found this PC (used, I'm not sure if I can afford a new one):

CPU: intel i9 13900K
GPU: RTX 4090 (asus rog)
RAM: 64GB 6400Mhz
Mother: Asus rog z790E

It's $4600, and it's a lot for me so I want to be sure is a good decision.
I was reading a lot of pages from the benchmarks thread: https://hub.virtamate.com/threads/benchmark-result-discussion.13131/page-50
I know is a good hardware, but I have some questions:

CPU: this is my biggest concern, is that good? it seems a bit old, and apparently AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D is better for VAM, but how big could be the difference? (also 13 and 14th gen in Intel were having problems?)

GPU: I know 4090 is very good, but some benchmarks are showing 5090 is 50% faster? and 5080 is almost equal to 4090 (but half the price)?

Any recommendations are more than welcome

Thanks !!

Total will be $3600. I made a wishlist for you which contains an RTX 5090, AMD 9900x 12 core CPU, 64GB of ram, motherboard, 2tb ssd, power supply, case, and 360mm radiator for the cpu. $3600 build and its faster than the build you want to buy.

https://newegg.io/8c9d4fc

 

[AngelofChris]

Personally I use a 5950X cpu, 64gb ram, and a 3090 and I am always happy with the performance however that 5090 is almost 3 times faster. So if you can afford to pay 4600, you can get a 5090 build right now. I might have to get that 5090 for myself... I could use an upgrade at this point.

EDIT: When using VAM, remember VRAM MATTERS. Never use high resolutions with less than 16GB of ram unless you are prepared for it to crash after youve been working in the scene for a while. I alway use 4k and nothing less so that my perspective. I started off with a 1080Ti and the 11GB of ram crashed often. I never hit a VRAM limit on a 24GB card.

 

[CV42]

That reminds me, I installed a game yesterday that popped up a notice telling me I needed to upgrade my BIOS to fix potential processor problems.

Probably Intels Microcode update 0x12F which is supposed to alleviate the performance impact/stability issues of the previous update 0x12B (the one that is supposed to fix the overvoltage/degradation problem of 13./14. gen. CPUs). Probably a good idea to install it.

 

[AshAuryn]

Probably Intels Microcode update 0x12F which is supposed to alleviate the performance impact/stability issues of the previous update 0x12B (the one that is supposed to fix the overvoltage/degradation problem of 13./14. gen. CPUs). Probably a good idea to install it.

That's the one.