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I got blocked from making stuff and I don’t care about it, but……..

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What about every thing should be free and remove the stupid give credits to the creator while there shit is free…….most of the stuff here is garbage and very bad when you make good looks that should be nothing but a plus for the creators stuff you use and the one making (and I don’t even care about that) the looks. The only reason I used to make looks was because of the bad paid bullshit and in my opinion everything should be free and free to use without any constrains or bullshit of credit giving, you made it for free so don’t expect a Giraf like in kindergarten. Removing my looks was good and and I don’t care about it ……….but the “I want a Girafsticker” mentality is just fucking stupid, grow up your adults now.

I really hope people see the bigger picture and make this place a super great place with free and good stuff because it needs to be….. and not like it is now only one out of 10 is good stuff. Instead of going for there own ego by “give me credit” make this the best place with great content made with everything that is available for free……..I made looks for free and loved it but I dislike the bullshit some creators talk with there f*cking big ego.

the rewards will be far bigger and the content would be improving much more and new creators will be in bigger nr’s so the content will only get better in the end…….some creators are short minded and in my opinion stupid and self centered. To those guys I would say open your mind and look in the future on what we could get out from this.
 
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I bet you're the sort to not tip your server cause the restaurant should pay them a working wage.
 
I bet you're the sort to not tip your server cause the restaurant should pay them a working wage.
Lol I NEVER tip anyone at all. You've got to be a complete mug to top up someones wages.

What about every thing should be free ............................................ some creators are short minded and in my opinion stupid and self centered. To those guys I would say open your mind and look in the future on what we could get out from this.

I'm happy to pay for a product that's priced fairly and happy to thank and give credit to anyone generous enough to donate their valuable free time to the community. Life is incredibly short and time is the only valuable thing we truly have.

However - fuck patreon. I'll never give them a penny again so I wish creators would implement an alternitive one off payment system.
 
….most of the stuff here is garbage and very bad …….some creators are short minded and in my opinion stupid and self centered.
You don't have to come here. The VAM community can survive very well without you and your opinions.
 
What about every thing should be free and remove the stupid give credits to the creator while there shit is free…….most of the stuff here is garbage and very bad when you make good looks that should be nothing but a plus for the creators stuff you use and the one making (and I don’t even care about that) the looks. The only reason I used to make looks was because of the bad paid bullshit and in my opinion everything should be free and free to use without any constrains or bullshit of credit giving, you made it for free so don’t expect a Giraf like in kindergarten. Removing my looks was good and and I don’t care about it ……….but the “I want a Girafsticker” mentality is just fucking stupid, grow up your adults now.

I really hope people see the bigger picture and make this place a super great place with free and good stuff because it needs to be….. and not like it is now only one out of 10 is good stuff. Instead of going for there own ego by “give me credit” make this the best place with great content made with everything that is available for free……..I made looks for free and loved it but I dislike the bullshit some creators talk with there f*cking big ego.

the rewards will be far bigger and the content would be improving much more and new creators will be in bigger nr’s so the content will only get better in the end…….some creators are short minded and in my opinion stupid and self centered. To those guys I would say open your mind and look in the future on what we could get out from this.
so your mad that you cannot steal another creators work to improve the mediocre looks you feel are amazing? do you do volunteer work on your free time and let some lazy person take credit? did you invest into a better PC to be able to make content for free? do you already have knowledge in 3D design and do this as a hobby or do you spend hours teaching yourself different ways to improve VAM?
You two sound like douchebags...
you sound like a scrub that only browses the free section lol
 
you spend hours teaching yourself different ways to improve VAM?
lol....you might want to multiply that by 100. But yeah...I think the core problem is that many consumers do not realize how much time goes into making quality stuff. Making quality stuff is only part the skill level of the creator....mostly its spending time....lots of time.

in my opinion everything should be free and free to use without any constrains or bullshit of credit giving
Note that some content here is released under CC0 license, in VaM its called "FC", which is exactly that. Assuming you only use content under that license and making everything else yourself, its ok to not credit anyone. Release your content under the same license and assuming you find enough like-minded people, you can build a community like you want it.

However, I have a feeling you will be the first to complain if some popular creator takes YOUR scene YOU spend some 30-40 hours or more on, changes some clothing color from white to light grey and claims it as his own scene, maybe even make it paid. And people WILL believe it if they did not see your own content post, which can easily happen with all the stuff thats being posted. You will at least want to be credited, right? Surprise! That's why I'm releasing my stuff as CC-BY-SA.....you CAN use and remix my stuff as long as you credit me properly (the "BY" part) and use the same license (the "SA" part). The latter prevents anyone from making money from my free content.

grow up your adults now.
Not sure I'm the one who has to grow up here...
 
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You two sound like douchebags...
That's rich coming from someone who is new to this community and has contributed exactly nothing, zilch, zero. The people here who know me as a long time contributor of free plugins are in a better position to judge me. As such, I will simply reject your comment as uninformed ignorance.
 
So to be clear, you're ranting about not being able to take other content, without giving credit to said person who created content?

I agree, a lot of the paid stuff generally isn't worth it. There is like, maybe 6-8 creators I'd actually pay for, and most, if not all of their work is free.

How-ever, that doesn't count as a justification. It's a straw man.

Just seems like venting for being reprimanded, as opposed being a mature adult and taking responsibility.
 
The user who posted this was banned after several warnings. They were given plenty of opportunity to correct the issue by giving credit where needed, but they refused and then continued to throw around insults because they don't like how the licensing works and how it is properly enforced here.

You can read some of this here if you are interested:


I think we were pretty fair about it.
 
Entirely agree with your judgement on this. Freeloading fanboys take note. You know who you are.
 
Receiving credit is not just about getting a sticker like a child or a boost in ego. Everyone has their own reasons so never make assumptions on their behalf. Therefore giving credit is the safe and only option. I do wish for convenience sake, credits would auto generate in our posts especially for Hub-Hosted VAR content. I would then want to customize the credit post to my liking. This would be difficult for external stuff I think.
 
Credit other creators work IS an essential part of our growing community! You should definitely overthink your opinion about that. It has absolutely nothing to do with your so called " Girafsticker" aka "kindergarten" mentality. There are many reasons why it´s a MUST DO to credit other creators/artists, let me tell you my personal top 5:

-> To honor other creators work wich cosumes massive time to create
-> To "push" other creators work because of crediting (the more other creators use your free work the more you basically get to know)
-> To separate in terms of quality, genre & style (like you know clothing item is fromXY so you might assume there might be other similar clothing pieces from the same author you like)
-> To grow a structured community and prevent total "content anarchy" with extremely repeating content
-> To give EVERY new creator the chance to become a "known" artist and not to fear his/her content is going to be ripped of/improved and eaten up by others wihout thinking a second about its origin and crediting.

Your suggestion just to release everything for free and to give a s*** crediting others would basically do exaclty the opposite what you assume to want. You want to become a respected creator, doing crazy stuff? Let me give you a tip. DO IT with your own hands and stop complaining! Be the "bigger picture" you are talking about or not. It´s up to you. (Gato)

ps. Sry for bad english sometimes....no native here :p
 
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Receiving credit is not just about getting a sticker like a child or a boost in ego. Everyone has their own reasons so never make assumptions on their behalf. Therefore giving credit is the safe and only option. I do wish for convenience sake, credits would auto generate in our posts especially for Hub-Hosted VAR content. I would then want to customize the credit post to my liking. This would be difficult for external stuff I think.

I mean, even if credit is purely about getting some kudos, that's still a perfectly valid reason to want credit.
You created it, you deserve credit.
 
I mean, even if credit is purely about getting some kudos, that's still a perfectly valid reason to want credit.
You created it, you deserve credit.

I totally agree. It is all valid. I don't think it's even child like. It helps with community morale which actually encourages for more and better content. And if their work is so good that you really need to use it for your projects, you comply with their requests or don't use their content.
 
I'm curious as to why my post got removed form here? Any mod want to explain the rules? I simply stated my view on tipping waiters - lmao who was triggered by this? Great rape simulator by the way boys lol
 
I pondered for a while before posting here, not wanting to put fuel on the fire of this slightly heated debate.
I'll try to keep it constructive :)

I haven't seen Mcorp looks, I don't know if the dependencies have been correctly made and I don't know the licence used for the deleted creations. So my opinion has nothing to do with it.

The only reason I used to make looks was because of the bad paid bullshit and in my opinion everything should be free and free to use without any constrains or bullshit of credit giving
If you want credit ask money, don’t complain about your good name or credits that should be on your name
This 2 quotes are quite contradictory to me. Not happy about the presence of paid stuff, but inciting others to make it paid if they want to have credits.

You'd like for everything to be free, right?
That's the point. Creative Commons had been made just for that. To allow people to share their stuff for free, but still receiving the honors & respect for it. Without needing to hide it behind paid copyright to force using credits.

People can even make it totally free without requesting credits (with "CC0" as MacGruber mentioned), but that's their choice.
As a creator using VAR, you've necessarily seen this. Each new VAR is set to "CC BY" by default - and it explains what it means:
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I understand that giving the proper credits can be annoying, but that is the key for having more & more free content. If you can't handle this once constraint, then you can't complain about stuff being paywalled (good or bad).
As for the moderation here; this has legal value so there is no debate: they have to enforce the respect of this.

I hope that it clarifies why crediting is not a whim, but goes towards what you seek.
 
lol....you might want to multiply that by 100. But yeah...I think the core problem is that many consumers do not realize how much time goes into making quality stuff. Making quality stuff is only part the skill level of the creator....mostly its spending time....lots of time.


Note that some content here is released under CC0 license, in VaM its called "FC", which is exactly that. Assuming you only use content under that license and making everything else yourself, its ok to not credit anyone. Release your content under the same license and assuming you find enough like-minded people, you can build a community like you want it.

However, I have a feeling you will be the first to complain if some popular creator takes YOUR scene YOU spend some 30-40 hours or more on, changes some clothing color from white to light grey and claims it as his own scene, maybe even make it paid. And people WILL believe it if they did not see your own content post, which can easily happen with all the stuff thats being posted. You will at least want to be credited, right? Surprise! That's why I'm releasing my stuff as CC-BY-SA.....you CAN use and remix my stuff as long as you credit me properly (the "BY" part) and use the same license (the "SA" part). The latter prevents anyone from making money from my free content.


Not sure I'm the one who has to grow up here...
Yeah. I mean, I'm hardly a professional of any sort, but I've spent 14 hours on working on a single character's appearance before, mostly popping between Photoshop and VAM, and reloading textures to see how they look in-engine.
 
I'm curious as to why my post got removed form here? Any mod want to explain the rules? I simply stated my view on tipping waiters - lmao who was triggered by this? Great rape simulator by the way boys lol
lol wtf you saying about rape sim? You put your foot in yo mouth, how that taste?
 
You two sound like douchebags...
do they? i guess these days it's what is considered something of a douche but back in my day that would probably be the normal conclusion. guess that's why things are f'ed up now. 'no one can ever say anything bad or criticize'. I'm sorry but the opening post is a bit whiney. if you dont like the content that's up behind a pay wall....guess what? you dont have to put money for it. you can pick and choose who are worthy of your dollar so....your piont is invalid. sure there are alot of people making things and having them behind a paywall that have no business doing so but again...guess what? they'll find out.
 
I can certainly see all sides here, I mean - let's face it, since I'm God.

Mcorp has some points, but he/she forwards it in a very immature and badly explained fashion - thus painting him/herself into a corner.

Sure, alot of paid content isnt worth any money at all, and surely lowers the quality-bar in VAM, actually hurting MeshedVR and the community. The better alternative would be some sort of "trial time", if a paid asset does'nt generate X amount of downloads via the HUB>patreon (measuring clicks) then it is removed as it would be fair to say it's not of a quality-level that gains popularity.

This is a problem on many services, like portals where people sell used stuff, like phones with beoken screens for insane amounts with no buyers for the unrealistic amount they want, simply because the world is full of humanoids whom believe their mediocre object/work is worth a lot more than it actually is. It only serves to drown the really good paid stuff in a endless sea of crap.

That be said, no ond forces anyone to buy anything, and thus such is the world, and enforcing some sort of "utopia" so sort crap from gold will most likely result in unforseen and unfortunate consequences.

I myself have an unhealthy self-destructive view on always providing my work free, and some day when I release some serious work, I too might ask for payment, that is - if I KNOW it is good at a level not seen before in whatever enviroment I cross, be it VAM or some other arena, time will tell.

As for free stuff, I like to have my free stuff completely free with no limitations, iv'e even spent months redoing semi-free ideas from scratch to top it's quality and make it truly free. VAM has a challenge due to dependencies, but MeshedVR has stretched very far to solve that problem with auto-credit like he mentioned, and the whole HUB-system for content is imo insabely good, it's almost like an own VAM-application in itself, and my experience is that the free section far outweights the paid content. Why? Because for many, acknowledgement and confirmation of their existence as hard working creators is a stronger motivation than money, and for them, getting credit makes their day.

I could write a book about this. The only licenced free content that actually doesn't deserve credit nor would ever fly in a court with their licence is hair and the hundreds of purely duped morphs with dupe-names with maybe just added range from 0-1000 to -1000>1000 etc, where the "author" puts a license on the dupe to claim credit, that's called "thief" where I come from, and it spams VAM with dupe morphs creating so much trouble it actually ruins the functionality of variablesliders in VAM due to targeting names, making VAM sometimes attatch the wrong morph to a triggerslider thus ending up with the target character getting doubled morph-values, all thanks to a couple hubdred pure duping-thieves abusing licenses in a wat that would actuallt cost them big if some original author were to challenge them in a lawsuit.

The abuse of morph-licensing is so vast that it's almost impossible to know what is a dupe from inbuilt morphs and what is an actual morph made manually by a original creator in a 3D-application outside of VAM unless you do extensive file-binary detective work and/or internet history tracking throughout numerous 3D-content portals.

How low is the bar for licensing? If you change a couple of hair-strands on a haircut, in theory that is now "your" creation, but then licensing it due too those few hair-strands is abuse of licensing in my book.

VAM has a lot of creators who indeed are VAM creators due to real life hardships, that's just statistical logic, if they all had a hot dripping Playboy/Instababe girlfriend/wife, a rich social life filled with blazing activities, well - then thwy wouldn't have time nor motivation to spend so much time creating in VAM, because creating takes time, even crappy stuff often takes time. I myself are in a pretty shitty life-situation, and that comes from a guy who's had more bombshell girlfriends and a xwife to kill for, and now I don't - if I did I would most likely not be spending -alot- of time creating in VAM.

Giving someone credit can one day change their life, lift their mentality, while ignoring the can do the opposite.

In the end it doesn't matter what Mcorp, me or anyone else thinks though, it's like humans trying to debate with mother Earth, nature itself because we somehow thinks nature gives a shit about our opinions when it's simply a thermodynamic process following energy-effiency, it's pointless, just as it is pointless to challenge the system the HUB has in place.

It's really simple: rules are rules, if someone wants credit, give them credit, those are the rules of licencing, those who don't want nor need credit, then don't. I have sometimes licenced work with explicit terms of the license being NOT giving me credit, again: my licence, my rules, that reaches far beyond VAM, so no reason to criticise VAM, the HUB og MeshedVR for it, licensing is global and has nothing to do with VAM, and MeshedVR aldo have to follow licensing-rules to actually be able to provide the HUB-service.

As for MeshedVR and his action on banning, lets do some math: This is a guy with over 13.000 patreons, the lowest amount monthly is about 3USD, highest being 10USD, so lets say the norm is 4USD, 4 x 13.000, thats 52.000 USD income a month from only patreon alone, 13.000 users and forums both here and on Trello. He could - in theory - hire an army to do all his work with that amount of income and then simply live a rich fastlane high society life with a pornstar-goddess wife/husband and completaly not give a fuck about the community - at all - and still gain sucess as VAM is a unique platform and product like none other bringing the learning-curve threshold of creating quality 3D-content to a historic low far beyond it's original genre.

Yet - this guy answers like butler in record time, is vastly engaged in the community and has a clear presence here on thw forums and the HUB even though he doesn't need to, my wild guess is that he too feels good when he gets acknowledgement and actually cares about not only his paying patreons, but also the thousands who don't pay anything. He is the same kind of guy as the creator of Five Nights of Freddy, engaged in his audience far beyond whats expected or required of him.

I myself spam him quite often with in reality the same question just worded differently, yet he answers every time without the frustration I would probarbly get if the coin was flipped the other way.

Mcorp - even though you think the world is unfair and unperfect, you should know MeshedVR tried to treat you fairly and took time to try and solve the situation on his own time and gave you oportunity to correct it, if you would lower your way too agressive defence and follow the rules of lisencing even though you disagree, i'm quite sure MeshedVR will give you two more minutes of his valuable time.
 
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